Alright, so I made this thread to discuss a hypothetical case that, in a piece of Halo media sometime in the future (be it a novel, game, film, whatever), if you had a say in which Blue Team member were to die, who do you think is the most appropriate character for that “role”, excluding John/The Master Chief, and why? Preferably, answers should have something to do with narrative as opposed to individual opinions on the characters themselves (don’t say Linda should die because she’s the most boring, or something like that). Again, hypothetical case. You can come up with some sort of scenario for the cause of death, or don’t.
And please, none of this “crappy writing/ berating Microsoft and/or 343” thing here please. Ideally the “death” is well written and executed.
If I had a say, I personally think that Kelly should be the one to bite the bucket dodges bullets from Greenleaf (I joke Green). As to why I think this is due to her close connection to John. Compared to any other member of Blue Team, her death would be the most devastating to him, the one to push him over the edge. Kelly is John’s best friend, actually, it’s closer to sister if anything, and I think that her death would make ideally, serve a purpose to move John’s character forward, for better or for worse. Compare this to the hypothetical deaths of Fred or Linda, whose deaths wouldn’t make nearly as much impact.
This is not to say I dislike Kelly as a character or that sort of thing, I just think that, in this hypothetical case, her death is the one that’s most likely to drive the story forward and create the largest impact, to the story, as well as the characters, especially John.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
I just hope none of them will die. I really like the idea of Blue team being together again after such a long a time.
It has far more potential than we have seen currently.
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> I just hope none of them will die. I really like the idea of Blue team being together again after such a long a time.
> It has far more potential than we have seen currently.
Again, I am talking about a hypothetical scenario another who’s death would deliver the most impact to the story, to the characters, to the setting. I wasn’t asking whether or not a member of Blue team should or should not die.
Why on earth does the Chief’s closest and most trusted companion deserve to die for no other reason than because it would “devastate him the most”? Moreover, Kelly-087 hasn’t even remotely been given the chance to have a complete story arc that could make her death “well written and executed” under ANY circumstance.
Simply put, no good can come at this point from killing ANYONE on Blue Team off. Because it would do absolutely NOTHING for the Chief’s growth as a character to take away the only positive and healthy thing he has going for him in life. “Drama” does not equal devlopment - and ‘Halo 5’ is a perfect example of this.
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> No. Just no.
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> Why on earth does the Chief’s closest and most trusted companion deserve to die for no other reason than because it would “devastate him the most”? Moreover, Kelly-087 hasn’t even remotely been given the chance to have a complete story arc that could make her death “well written and executed” under ANY circumstance.
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> Simply put, no good can come at this point from killing ANYONE on Blue Team off. Because it would do absolutely NOTHING for the Chief’s growth as a character to take away the only positive and healthy thing he has going for him in life. “Drama” does not equal devlopment - and ‘Halo 5’ is a perfect example of this.
I think you missed the part about how this was A. A hypothetical case and B. An opinion thread. No need to downplay someone’s opinion.
“Devastate him the most”? You seem to be interpreting that I mentioned Kelly purely for shock value, despite how I mentioned the phrases “character”, “story”, “setting” and “narrative”.
As for story arcs, sure, there were issues with Halo 5 but character arcs don’t need to span across several novels and games and films to be a proper character arc. Red from Shawshank Redemption had an amazing character arc, and that’s just a single film. Besides which I never said this takes place in Halo 6, Halo: The Fall of Reach 2, or Halo: Frozen 2. Just some future piece of Halo media.
“Does nothing for his character”? There are several possible outcomes of such an act. Let’s look at Captain America: Civil War film for example. Spoilers ahead.
Iron Man was shown the deaths of his father and mother. Was this done to just to “devastate him” (which you appeared to have interpreted my post to be just that), for shock value? No, it done to introduce conflict, to move the story, the character forward. In this case it moved Tony’s character negatively (not everything needs to have a positive outcome). He was willing to descend into darkness and murder a man in cold blood. This act led to the shattering of his relationship with Captain America that had been boiling to a point throughout the film. Tony Stark was always conflicted, burdened by the deaths of his parents.Now, I can easily see that there are several ways to apply a similar scenario to what I had described above to the topic at hand. This here was not done out of just simply shock value. It did have build up, it did have tension, but it was a lot more than simple shock value (and shock value itself isn’t bad, but doing things purely for it however is. Like all storytelling techniques, it can be abused).
To be honest I think all of the deaths would have a similar weight on the Chief, like Cortana Chief was and still is responsible for them.
Kelly died = Chief would loose his oldest friend and closest comrade
Linda died = Chief would loose the only Spartan II that he could really relate to
Fred died = Chief would loose a caring friend and a possibly better tactician
Although I would hate the idea of them dying I wouldn’t be against it if it legitimately added to the plot, if its just going to be another Black team incident then it would anger a lot of people.
Anyone except Fred.
Tactically, as Fred is believed by John to be the second best at everything, he could fill the boots of whoever bites the dust.
I can’t play hypertherical, sorry.
I mean, I’ve thought about it and reached a conclusion… but I’d rather not breathe life into something that I strongly object to.
Honestly, it’s like sitting down at a table with four bowls of poop, which one would I eat?
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> To be honest I think all of the deaths would have a similar weight on the Chief, like Cortana Chief was and still is responsible for them.
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> Kelly died = Chief would loose his oldest friend and closest comrade
> Linda died = Chief would loose the only Spartan II that he could really relate to
> Fred died = Chief would loose a caring friend and a possibly better tactician
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> Although I would hate the idea of them dying I wouldn’t be against it if it legitimately added to the plot, if its just going to be another Black team incident then it would anger a lot of people.
I actually believe its been stated that Fred is the better strategist while John is the better tactician.
Also how is Linda they only one chief can relate too? I think all 3 of them are pretty relate-able to each other.
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> No. Just no.
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> Why on earth does the Chief’s closest and most trusted companion deserve to die for no other reason than because it would “devastate him the most”? Moreover, Kelly-087 hasn’t even remotely been given the chance to have a complete story arc that could make her death “well written and executed” under ANY circumstance.
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> Simply put, no good can come at this point from killing ANYONE on Blue Team off. Because it would do absolutely NOTHING for the Chief’s growth as a character to take away the only positive and healthy thing he has going for him in life. “Drama” does not equal devlopment - and ‘Halo 5’ is a perfect example of this.
You don’t want her to die because she’s obviously your favorite character.
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> > Why on earth does the Chief’s closest and most trusted companion deserve to die for no other reason than because it would “devastate him the most”? Moreover, Kelly-087 hasn’t even remotely been given the chance to have a complete story arc that could make her death “well written and executed” under ANY circumstance.
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> > Simply put, no good can come at this point from killing ANYONE on Blue Team off. Because it would do absolutely NOTHING for the Chief’s growth as a character to take away the only positive and healthy thing he has going for him in life. “Drama” does not equal devlopment - and ‘Halo 5’ is a perfect example of this.
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> You don’t want her to die because she’s obviously your favorite character.
So what? Doesn’t make my argument any less valid.
And //nobody// here has been able to provide a single logical, well-thought-out reason to kill off //any// member of Blue Team. Because there isn’t one outside of making Chief “sad” - which //is not// the same thing as actual character development.
Sorry, Blue is protected by Plot Armor. Eric Nylund killed off Spartan-IIs in every single one of his novels until all that remained was Fred, Kelly and Linda. The fans have since decided that these three cannot die for any reason. They’ve been put on the endangered Spartan list and placed in a zoo as part of a conservation measure.
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> Sorry, Blue is protected by Plot Armor. Eric Nylund killed off Spartan-IIs in every single one of his novels until all that remained was Fred, Kelly and Linda. The fans have since decided that these three cannot die for any reason. They’ve been put on the endangered Spartan list and placed in a zoo as part of a conservation measure.
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> Alright, so I made this thread to discuss a hypothetical case that, in a piece of Halo media sometime in the future (be it a novel, game, film, whatever), if you had a say in which Blue Team member were to die, who do you think is the most appropriate character for that “role”, excluding John/The Master Chief, and why? Preferably, answers should have something to do with narrative as opposed to individual opinions on the characters themselves (don’t say Linda should die because she’s the most boring, or something like that). Again, hypothetical case. You can come up with some sort of scenario for the cause of death, or don’t.
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> And please, none of this “crappy writing/ berating Microsoft and/or 343” thing here please. Ideally the “death” is well written and executed.
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> If I had a say, I personally think that Kelly should be the one to bite the bucket dodges bullets from Greenleaf (I joke Green). As to why I think this is due to her close connection to John. Compared to any other member of Blue Team, her death would be the most devastating to him, the one to push him over the edge. Kelly is John’s best friend, actually, it’s closer to sister if anything, and I think that her death would make ideally, serve a purpose to move John’s character forward, for better or for worse. Compare this to the hypothetical deaths of Fred or Linda, whose deaths wouldn’t make nearly as much impact.
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> This is not to say I dislike Kelly as a character or that sort of thing, I just think that, in this hypothetical case, her death is the one that’s most likely to drive the story forward and create the largest impact, to the story, as well as the characters, especially John.
> Anyway, what do you guys think?
You monster!! Why would you even think of that?!!?!? Anyways I’d probably want Kelly to die since she punched Chief in the face in the fall of reach when they were training and they did a race and they lost because Chief didn’t help. Well i think it was Kelly.
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> You monster!! Why would you even think of that?!!?!? Anyways I’d probably want Kelly to die since she punched Chief in the face in the fall of reach when they were training and they did a race and they lost because Chief didn’t help. Well i think it was Kelly.
That’s a little silly to say - Chief deserved it for being a -Yoink-.
My answers are this - if we’re going off the real Blue Team who were actual distinct characters from the books, I feel like any of them would drive the story on in an interesting way, and would get me emotional as all hell.
The horrible shell of Blue Team which we saw in Halo 5 Guardians, completely bland an uncharacteristic mini-Chiefs? Kill all of them. They’re clearly impostors.
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> > No. Just no.
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> > Why on earth does the Chief’s closest and most trusted companion deserve to die for no other reason than because it would “devastate him the most”? Moreover, Kelly-087 hasn’t even remotely been given the chance to have a complete story arc that could make her death “well written and executed” under ANY circumstance.
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> > Simply put, no good can come at this point from killing ANYONE on Blue Team off. Because it would do absolutely NOTHING for the Chief’s growth as a character to take away the only positive and healthy thing he has going for him in life. “Drama” does not equal devlopment - and ‘Halo 5’ is a perfect example of this.
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> You don’t want her to die because she’s obviously your favorite character.
Kelly is arguably one of the best written female characters of the Halo universe. Killing her to fuel Chief’s man pain would be an insult.
I don’t think any member of Blue Team should be killed off, it would do nothing to serve the plot and would only serve to infuriate the fans.