Lol it’s a joke. Whoever designed this progression system should lose their job, that’s how bad it is.
343i don’t want to give us incentives to play well by linking player performance and medals earned to battle pass progression because they would rather you buy XP boosts and BP levels.
Yeah, as it should be. You should be going after those challenges to progress faster. Those unlocks are as close to being on a silver platter as the can be without being free. Given that over the ~183 days (At time of posting) until the next season you need to average less than 6 hours a week to get all unlocks in the pass without challenges. Thats less, LESS, than one hour a day. Considering that the pass does not expire, they gap between levels are all 1000 Exp, and there are challenges thats more than fair.
Again, you fail to realize that ONLY this season is 6 months, they will all be 3 months after this one so doing balance around it being 6 months is idiotic because they they will have to do it all over again next season. If it would take 6 hours a week every week to get to lvl 100 by the end of the season it will be 12 hours a week for seasons after that.
On top of this you people need to stop acting like this is the ONLY game in existence and that this is the only thing people do outside of work. People have families, some people have second jobs, people have other games they like to play and some people have other non gaming hobbies they like to do. This shouldn’t be something ONLY diehard halo players who play nothing but halo can obtain, especially since you have to pay for the pass in the first place.
And don’t start with the “well the pass never expires” crap, what will 343 do come season 2 when 90% of the player base is still grinding away on the first pass and as a result doesn’t buy the next? How long do you think the game will last with nobody buying the future seasons passes because they can’t even finish the first nor are they buying anything from the store because it is all stupidly overpriced? Hell, how many people do you think will still be playing this game come season 2 with a grind like this?
This game will not last the 10 years they want it to last with the monetization n the state that it is in.
In my opinion the amont of xp you earn at the end of a game, should be representative of your actions during the game.
For exemple : having 3 medals of double kill should provide 3 x 5 xp + having a killing spree medal + 10 xp + etc
So if you play a long game like BTB you are probably having more xp (because more actions and medals) than a quick game.
So the issue with the 50 xp per game (which is low) is more than it’s not representative of your actions during the game.
The MCC xp mechanic was perfect
I disagree. If this BP is 6 months in duration, then it should be balanced as such. The future ones can be balanced for whatever duration they will be.
Also the BP’s never expire, so if you want to take 3 years to complete it, you can. Ultimately, the BP’s should be balanced for the average player to complete before the next one becomes available.
20 matches per BP level, 100 levels, so 2000 matches to complete a BP with roughly six months to do it (if I intend to keep up). While working my 6-day, 60hr/wk job I can maybe get 1-3 matches in per day for the 180 days. That’s 540 matches at best. 2000=4x500.
Essentially, I ain’t completing battle passes. And, without buying the premium pass I’m mostly only earning challenge swaps anyway. And since I’m not going to be getting very deep into the BP, and the customization is so sparse, I’m not sure why I’d spend the challenge swaps.
So I guess I’m just here to play the game. Could be worse. Luckily, it’s a really good game.
So you propose they waste all the time it takes to properly balance it while the game is missing a metric -Yoink!- ton of features just to waste that time again when the game will still be missing a metric -Yoink!- ton of features to do it again? You don’t spend money doing something wrong on purpose knowing you will have to pay to do it again shortly after. The ENTIRE reason the first season is 6 months instead of 3 is so they have enough time to properly balance it while still having time for people to actually -Yoink!- complete it. Why in the -Yoink!- would they waste that 3 month leeway they gave themselves specifically for this purpose to balance it around a duration only this season will be? If they don’t do it properly this season when they have the extra time it would be a significantly harder process to do it properly later on.
Why are you against making the season pass completable for as many people as possible? Why is is to bad that more people have access to all of the cosmetics for their spartans as possible? Why should only those with no other hobbies, no families, no life at all outside of halo be the only one allowed to have these items?
Since you didn’t read my post before replying to it. Who is going to pay 343 to continue supporting this game down the road when everyone except the “elite” few stops buying the battle pass because they are still stuck working on the first one? Who is going to support 343 to continue supporting this game when 10s if not 100s of thousands of people give up purely because of 343 only giving a -Yoink!- about the “elite” few? How many people do you think will stick around when they start rebalancing progression for the second time within a year of launch instead of moving all hands over to making the new content all this -Yoink!- monetization is in the game in the first place to pay for?
They need to get it down properly as quickly as possible and purposefully doing it wrong benefits literally no one.
If you want to play an unbalanced mess there are plenty of games you can play.
Please stop making assumptions. I read your full post. I am allowed to disagree.
As for balancing the BP’s if this one is 6 months long and every one after it is 3 months long… It’s simple math. 6/3=2
Therefore if they can properly balance a 6 month BP. All they have to do is double all the XP values for the 3 month pass. That really shouldn’t be that hard to do.
Yes, I understand people have lives outside of Halo. Why do you feel like this needs to be said over and over again? I myself have a wife and 2 kids on top of studying full time. I only have about 6-8 hours per week (on average) for gaming just like everyone else.
Anyhow, I’m stepping away from this discussion as this doesn’t seem to be going anywhere.
Yeah, using no-lifing as a baseline is an ice cold take.
Yeh the exp system is awful. It’s like I have a double exp token I can use at any point and I’m not even sure it’s worth using due to the awful grind and payouts being awful.
I wouldn’t use any double XP or challenge swaps at least the until Beta is over.
It’s insane you disagree. It SHOULDN’T take 6 months to complete the damn thing, that’s what you seem to not understand. No one, and I mean NO ONE, is gonna stick around a game thay literally spits on them for playing, when they could go to literally any other game that will grant them satisfaction for playing the game. Halo is bot granting that, why you think it’s okay to grind for half a year for GRAY is baffling. Saying it should take 6 months is just crazy and so out of touch it, but I guess you’d rather live on the game despite what you wrote.
If the BP is available for 6 months before the next one comes out, then shouldn’t it take about 6 months to complete under normal circumstances? That doesn’t mean that content creators and those with more time shouldn’t be able to complete it quicker. I don’t see what’s wrong with this. We always used to grind for commendations or achievements, why is a BP any different?
In the future if BP’s are open for 3 months before the next one drops, then it should take roughly 3 months to complete. Otherwise, we will need a completely separate progression system for those that play frequently. We should have one anyway but that’s another discussion on its own.
Overblown issue. I’m level 16 what 5 days in. Thats on par with apex legends. If not quicker
You don’t listen or you refuse to look at any other way than sweating your -Yoink!- off on the game for 6 -Yoink!- months to complete something that should be able to be completed in way less than half that time. Christ, grinding challenges is and commendations are fine. But this is core progression and customization here. You are literally telling people it is okay to play half a year or spend near $200 for the color GRAY. 343 said themselves they didn’t want this to be another chore to play, why don’t you understand that? If you want chores go rake the yard.
I don’t believe I have mentioned BP contents once in this thread. I never said it’s okay to grind for 6 months for the colour grey. Furthermore “cadet grey” is available on day one… Where did you get that from?
In any case, I think we can agree that BP progression needs to be optimized before launch.
First off, this BP was originally designed to be a 3 month process as well that they arbitrarily increased to a six month time span.
Being 100% cosmetic or directly related to BP systems though means there is no incentive to extend the duration outside of greed towards the people without patience or self control that just buy out all the levels.
Something I’m disappointed to see is the amount of conversation regarding this issue is extremely less than it was prior to yesterday’s update.
Before the update, everyone everywhere was commenting on the Progression.
After this update, only a few threads here and there. Yes the weeklies were nerfed (to some extent - not sure I’ll get my 15 kills with the Ghost’s weapons…), but the Dailies are about the same/worse than the prior system.
And with less people aware of this fact, only knowing there was some update and thinking it’s “fixed”, I fear the progression will never be improved again…
If it was upped from 50 to 100 xp then I would be more okay since I don’t mind playing 10 games to get one one battle pass level. Still would take a long while to complete the pass, but at least it wouldn’t feel like as much of a punch to the gut.
I agree.
100 XP with maybe a 50 XP bonus for a win (take or leave that part haha) would be much more tolerable than what we have now.
The 50 XP feels like 343i is trying to trick the players…
And that said, if they were to up it to 100 XP, that should still be a temporary measure as a more robust and rewarded system is implemented.