343's Vision of Halo is Killing the Franchise

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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343 said they’d go back to Halo’s roots with Halo 4, and look what happened there. Does that even need an explanation? Now seeing what 343 is doing with Halo 5, I don’t believe them at all with their claim that they’re returning to Halo’s roots this time around.

With ADS, Spartan abilities, Sprint—major twitch-based features and mechanics—and Halo’s arena/tactical-based gameplay and overall foundation being forced to be complimented with twitch-based gameplay, features and mechanics to the point in which Halo originally plays is altered dramatically or completely being 343’s vision for Halo is a BIG mistake.

343, doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results will only further validate why the advancements and evolutions between Halo: CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3 will only work for the success and the longevity of this franchise.

Halo: Reach was questionable for many reasons including but not limited to AAs, loadouts, some players feeling like that was only a beta for their new project Destiny, deviating from the main story (focusing on Noble Team instead of the Master Chief), Reach being Bungie’s last Halo game; however, it didn’t hemorrhage players at the amount and speed Halo 4 did. With Halo 4 it felt like you took Reach, and then Call of Duty, fused them to become one to only become a CoD game with a Halo skin on it.

Now, with Halo 5, it feels like you guys are trying to fuse Reach, CoD, and many other twitch-based games out there to release Call of Titan 5: Destinyfield.

What the so-called Halo purists are trying to tell you is 3 major points is that:

  • What’s worse than more of the same is less of the same. - That for Halo to return back to its “golden age” during the Halo 2 and Halo 3 days you guys need to replicate the amount of advancement and evolution that took place between CE to Halo 2 and Halo 2 to Halo 3. - And I don’t know how many times we have to repeat ourselves on this, but change for the sake of change is bad. That is not advancement. That is not evolution. That does not make a game great and being told by the modern gamers you’re trying to appeal to that we need to “adapt” makes you guys look worse.
    Not only that, but with Halo 5 on the horizon the playerbase will be divided even further. Who knows what could happen if Halo 3 and Reach become backwards comptaible on the Xbox One. TMCC’s botched launched due to lack of major features and many bugs plaguing the game that caused a mass exodus of Halo players both new and old now looking for a new Halo game to settle in (or going back to an old platform) will further exacerbate this divide.

Reach was questionable, but I grew to like it. It didn’t even come close to Halo 3 though in every aspect, and the only redeeming quality was Forge World. Halo 4 was an abomination to the Halo multiplayer experience, and TMCC was simply not ready to be released and you guys know that.

I will NOT be buying Halo 5 based on everything I’ve seen and read up to this point. Maybe I’ll get it preowned directly from someone who’s giving it up and try it, but I might go back to Halo 3 or Reach after a game or 2. Does anyone else feel this way?

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no

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nah

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Here’s your reply good sir.

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Ur mad 8/8 mate.

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Couple of things- You haven’t played the beta, so stop trying to say you know exactly how it feels and plays. Most everyone I’ve talked to on these forums said it felt like a natural evolution of Halo. I didn’t play the beta, so im giving it a chance and seeing the potential in it rather than needlessly bashing it. Second- Halo is not YOUR game. It’s 343’s game. They said they wanted to return to Halos roots and they did. Halos roots (for me atleast) consist of equal starts and heavily skill based playing. 4 lacked much of this, and 5 aims to bring it back. That’s returning to roots. Returning to the roots of halo does not mean rehashing a game that came out 10 years ago. That’s what we call COD. And as for advancement from Halo CE- Halo 3? There wasnt really that much change, other than playable elites, new weapons, forge, items and armor sets-not a whole lot to do with gameplay. Halo 5 is returning to Halos core roots (as in what separates Halo from most other games on th market) with even starts but at the same time incorporating new features to make it fresh. And don’t call it Call of Halofall or any of that, because you know it’s not true. Cod is being milked by being the same thing every darn year. Halo is NOT being milked because it spaces out games and evolves over time. Also, H5 is no more a twitch shooter than H3 was. Its TTK is very similar if not the same as old halos, but games like H3 had very weak guns. Don’t call H5 a twitch shooter because the guns are actually powerful for once. I love the old halos as well, but that age is over. Give H5 a chance, please. And also, Halo 3 has been on Xbome with MCC for awhile now and there are lots of people still hyped for H5…

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So no, I don’t share your viewpoint. 343 isn’t “killing” anything.

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The franchise is taking on a new direction and is trying to bring in a new audience because the old audience will never be satisfied. 343 can not create the nostalgia that all of the old players want, plain and simple. After playing Halo 4 for so long and all of the other shooters, the old Halo just feels to slow and I notice the only game that I really play is Halo 4. A LOT of the old community who were just in it for multiplier are already gone and if they still are here they can just play MCC now or go back to old console if they don’t want to play Halo 5. I personally like the new direction and will play Halo 5 for warzone if everything else is bad. The so called “golden age” will NEVER come back and the community just needs to accept it and move on.

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game isnt even out yet

  • hasn’t even played the beta*
    is judging the game as if its a finished product
  • creates “343 is killing Halo” thread number #7,118"
    …You what, mate?
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There is hundreds of subjects like this out there. Can you stop complaining? That’s so -Yoinking!- annoying. Just don’t buy the game and shut up!

Go play Halo 2 and 3 on MCC.

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another one of these threads huh.

I played the beta and it felt amazing. It feels like halo again despite what you think. Halo 4 biggest mistake was the addition of loadouts and ordinance drops which killed gameplay with a huge abundance of power weapons all over the place and vehicles sucked because everyone started with plasma nades and plasma pistol. There are no twitch based mechanics and the skillgap is pretty much at its highest point ever now.

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If Halo: Reach was the beta for Destiny, I can see why Bungie failed on an epic scale in story telling because to this day I could not find myself to care about any of the Noble team members. I still haven’t forgiven them for that massive tease on Tip of the Spear thinking you were riding into an epic scale battle of monumental proportions only LOLNOPE, just turn right and don’t advance with the army.

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The funny thing is, going back to to Halo CE, 2 and 3 gameplay won’t save and won’t bring together the community. I don’t want play another game like the original trilogy, and if I don’t want old gameplay you sure can bet others will feel the same.

Also Halo is very much going back to the roots with the arena style gameplay. Every time I see a developer saying they are going back to the roots, they always mean certain style of play or something unique to the game. Not the exact 100% gameplay we had before.

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> The funny thing is, going back to to Halo CE, 2 and 3 gameplay won’t save and won’t bring together the community. I don’t want play another game like the original trilogy, and if I don’t want old gameplay you sure can bet others will feel the same.
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> Also Halo is very much going back to the roots with the arena style gameplay. Every time I see a developer saying they are going back to the roots, they always mean certain style of play or something unique tYepo the game. Not the exact 100% gameplay we had before.

Yep, just like when they said they were going back to the roots with Halo 4 they meant the return of Mastercheif, they didn’t mean the return the competitive mp aspect.

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Halo reach is officially canon you CANNOT AND WILL NO claim it isn’t canon unless its your opinion. Now dont get me wrong i enjoy the books and the fall of reach, i dont understand why bungie didn’t follow the book they just made a story during the fall of reach’s events but it wasn’t accurate.

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For me, Reach was the perfect Halo. And I’ve been playing since Halo CE days, and honestly, I like change because the game becomes fresh, new, and honestly I don’t want to keep playing the same game over and over again. I’d be disappointed if Halo 5 was like Halo 2, I’d get bored.
Yes you can take all the best elements of each game and make a new one, and thrown in some new stuff too.
Something Cod doesn’t do is change, and Halo does.

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Thank you for such a constructive post. This will surly help the community as a whole.

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> > 2533274794210491;13:
> > The funny thing is, going back to to Halo CE, 2 and 3 gameplay won’t save and won’t bring together the community. I don’t want play another game like the original trilogy, and if I don’t want old gameplay you sure can bet others will feel the same.
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> > Also Halo is very much going back to the roots with the arena style gameplay. Every time I see a developer saying they are going back to the roots, they always mean certain style of play or something unique tYepo the game. Not the exact 100% gameplay we had before.
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> Yep, just like when they said they were going back to the roots with Halo 4 they meant the return of Mastercheif, they didn’t mean the return the competitive mp aspect.

Well I never new they said that for Halo 4 but does not matter now because I played the beta so I agree with 343 this time.

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I love how people are saying that 343i is killing halo…this is your opinion…nothing more! When the game drops 10/27/15 we will have a glimpse of things…the true test will be 6 months to a year later if the Halo community is still there?

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> Couple of things- You haven’t played the beta, so stop trying to say you know exactly how it feels and plays. Most everyone I’ve talked to on these forums said it felt like a natural evolution of Halo. I didn’t play the beta, so im giving it a chance and seeing the potential in it rather than needlessly bashing it. Second- Halo is not YOUR game. It’s 343’s game. They said they wanted to return to Halos roots and they did. Halos roots (for me atleast) consist of equal starts and heavily skill based playing. 4 lacked much of this, and 5 aims to bring it back. That’s returning to roots. Returning to the roots of halo does not mean rehashing a game that came out 10 years ago. That’s what we call COD. And as for advancement from Halo CE- Halo 3? There wasnt really that much change, other than playable elites, new weapons, forge, items and armor sets-not a whole lot to do with gameplay. Halo 5 is returning to Halos core roots (as in what separates Halo from most other games on th market) with even starts but at the same time incorporating new features to make it fresh. And don’t call it Call of Halofall or any of that, because you know it’s not true. Cod is being milked by being the same thing every darn year. Halo is NOT being milked because it spaces out games and evolves over time. Also, H5 is no more a twitch shooter than H3 was. Its TTK is very similar if not the same as old halos, but games like H3 had very weak guns. Don’t call H5 a twitch shooter because the guns are actually powerful for once. I love the old halos as well, but that age is over. Give H5 a chance, please. And also, Halo 3 has been on Xbome with MCC for awhile now and there are lots of people still hyped for H5…

All great points the beta played and really felt like a true Halo game The needed skill was there and if want to talk about going back to their roots there is no running from people this time around. Dude the game even has that small cartoony element that Halo has always had. 343 is trying so hard to please every one with warzone and arena but no one wants to give them some slack its really getting old to see people talk bad about 343 for no real reason.