343's reason to implement 85% bloom makes no sense

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One of the big reasons 343 chose 85% over 0% bloom was because they thought that the Needle Rifle was too overpowered with 0 bloom.

Here is an excerpt from one of the bulletins.

> What we’ve found is keeping some bloom actually allows the headshot weapons to feel more rewarding and reliable without overpowering them. In fact, the number we’re currently sweet on is 85%. At a 15% reduction, the DMR feels a lot better, without the Needle Rifle becoming Dolphin Gun, Destroyer of Worlds. In that way, we may find ourselves with a happy medium. That’s not to say that “Zero Bloom” doesn’t have its place in this new world order. It certainly does, but trust us: with zero bloom in place, the Needle Rifle becomes (and should be treated like) a power weapon.

Okay, so they thought that the 0 bloom needle rifle was way too powerful.

Well guess what? The 0 bloom NR = 85% NR.

That’s right, the 85% NR has no bloom, even on automatic mode. So therefore their reason to put 85% to combat the 0% “Dolphin Gun, Destroyer of Worlds” makes absolutely no sense.

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I don’t care why they choose 85% over 0% I’m just glad they did. 85% bloom is the best thing to happen to Reach in a long time.

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The Needle Rifle has very minimal bloom at 100% if used correctly. On the other hand I’m fine just playing the Beta ZB Slayer playlist for all my zero bloom needs.

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the change should have only been made to the DMR, since the DMR is the only gun with the problems… oh damn, 343 will never learn from the community…

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NR isn’t that bad anyway. Lower damage balances the ultimate accuracy.

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343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.

Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.

I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).

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> 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
>
> Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
>
> I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).

I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.

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> > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> >
> > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> >
> > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
>
> I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.

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I think they added 85% bloom so they wouldn’t mess up the sandbox, not because of the Needle Rifle.

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> > > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> > >
> > > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> > >
> > > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
> >
> > I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.
>
> Or they could leave it in a separate playlist… TU is for kids who suck, and who complain that armor lock is OP because they run up to someone using it, get EMP’d and die, or boost into someone who’s been sitting in armor lock and wonder why they die. Get better.

I always thought the Armor Lock complaints stemmed from the fact that it was just flat out stupid, not because it was OP haha

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Because the Needle Rifle automatically hits the head at zero bloom, regardless of where it’s aiming.

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> > > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> > >
> > > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> > >
> > > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
> >
> > I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.
>
> Or they could leave it in a separate playlist… TU is for kids who suck, and who complain that armor lock is OP because they run up to someone using it, get EMP’d and die, or boost into someone who’s been sitting in armor lock and wonder why they die. Get better.

Ironic you telling people to “get better”.

Practice what you preach and adapt to the new AL.

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> Because the Needle Rifle automatically hits the head at zero bloom, regardless of where it’s aiming.

I’m gonna call BS. The NR IS easier to aim but it does not hit automatically.

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> > > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> > >
> > > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> > >
> > > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
> >
> > I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.
>
> Or they could leave it in a separate playlist… TU is for kids who suck, and who complain that armor lock is OP because they run up to someone using it, get EMP’d and die, or boost into someone who’s been sitting in armor lock and wonder why they die. Get better.

false.

TU is for nostalgic halo 2 fans.

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> > > > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> > > >
> > > > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> > > >
> > > > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
> > >
> > > I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.
> >
> > Or they could leave it in a separate playlist… TU is for kids who suck, and who complain that armor lock is OP because they run up to someone using it, get EMP’d and die, or boost into someone who’s been sitting in armor lock and wonder why they die. Get better.
>
> false.
>
> TU is for nostalgic halo 2 fans.

Strictly MLG.

There is nothing nostalgic about the updated AA’s and 85% bloom, they are just more consistent and balanced.

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> > > > > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
> > > >
> > > > I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.
> > >
> > > Or they could leave it in a separate playlist… TU is for kids who suck, and who complain that armor lock is OP because they run up to someone using it, get EMP’d and die, or boost into someone who’s been sitting in armor lock and wonder why they die. Get better.
> >
> > false.
> >
> > TU is for nostalgic halo 2 fans.
>
> Strictly MLG.
>
> There is nothing nostalgic about the updated AA’s and 85% bloom, they are just more consistent and balanced.

hm… yup, MLG does seem to be nothing but halo 2 when it comes to halo.

as for the needle rifle argument, it does auto headshot as long as any part of the reticule is touching the head, you can test this yourself by going into a custom game, picking the needle rifle and aiming for the chest with the reticule barely touching the head and it will give headshots, do the same with the DMR and you get body shots.

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> > > > > > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.
> > > >
> > > > Or they could leave it in a separate playlist… TU is for kids who suck, and who complain that armor lock is OP because they run up to someone using it, get EMP’d and die, or boost into someone who’s been sitting in armor lock and wonder why they die. Get better.
> > >
> > > false.
> > >
> > > TU is for nostalgic halo 2 fans.
> >
> > Strictly MLG.
> >
> > There is nothing nostalgic about the updated AA’s and 85% bloom, they are just more consistent and balanced.
>
> hm… yup, MLG does seem to be nothing but halo 2 when it comes to halo.
>
> as for the needle rifle argument, it does auto headshot as long as any part of the reticule is touching the head, you can test this yourself by going into a custom game, picking the needle rifle and aiming for the chest with the reticule barely touching the head and it will give headshots, do the same with the DMR and you get body shots.

I knew that,that is what makes it easier to use is that it is so forgiving. Calling it “autoheadshot” is a kind of an exaggeration right?

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> > > > > > > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or they could leave it in a separate playlist… TU is for kids who suck, and who complain that armor lock is OP because they run up to someone using it, get EMP’d and die, or boost into someone who’s been sitting in armor lock and wonder why they die. Get better.
> > > >
> > > > false.
> > > >
> > > > TU is for nostalgic halo 2 fans.
> > >
> > > Strictly MLG.
> > >
> > > There is nothing nostalgic about the updated AA’s and 85% bloom, they are just more consistent and balanced.
> >
> > hm… yup, MLG does seem to be nothing but halo 2 when it comes to halo.
> >
> > as for the needle rifle argument, it does auto headshot as long as any part of the reticule is touching the head, you can test this yourself by going into a custom game, picking the needle rifle and aiming for the chest with the reticule barely touching the head and it will give headshots, do the same with the DMR and you get body shots.
>
> I knew that,that is what makes it easier to use is that it is so forgiving. Calling it “autoheadshot” is a kind of an exaggeration right?

not really, it auto-corrects if the reticule is on the head so saying “autoheadshot” is an accurate description.

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> > > > > > > > 343i needs to just make up their minds with what to change and what not to.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Halo Reach is currently a MESS of a game. Many playlists still have 100% bloom, where as others have the TU changes (Armor lock change, 85% bloom, bleed-through, etc.) and it can be ridiculous of how much difference it is to go from Team Slayer to Squad Slayer as far as gameplay experience is concerned.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think they should just update the ENTIRE game (even the campaign).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree; for better or worse, past Halo games updated the entire game with each TU, and basically gave the community the ol’ “my way or the high way” routine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or they could leave it in a separate playlist… TU is for kids who suck, and who complain that armor lock is OP because they run up to someone using it, get EMP’d and die, or boost into someone who’s been sitting in armor lock and wonder why they die. Get better.
> > > > >
> > > > > false.
> > > > >
> > > > > TU is for nostalgic halo 2 fans.
> > > >
> > > > Strictly MLG.
> > > >
> > > > There is nothing nostalgic about the updated AA’s and 85% bloom, they are just more consistent and balanced.
> > >
> > > hm… yup, MLG does seem to be nothing but halo 2 when it comes to halo.
> > >
> > > as for the needle rifle argument, it does auto headshot as long as any part of the reticule is touching the head, you can test this yourself by going into a custom game, picking the needle rifle and aiming for the chest with the reticule barely touching the head and it will give headshots, do the same with the DMR and you get body shots.
> >
> > I knew that,that is what makes it easier to use is that it is so forgiving. Calling it “autoheadshot” is a kind of an exaggeration right?
>
> not really, it auto-corrects if the reticule is on the head so saying “autoheadshot” is an accurate description.

But if I shoot his toes its not a headshot.

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False, OP. Bloom percentage is simply the amplitude, not the peroid of the time it takes for your reticle to expand and collapse. Which means, the Needle Rifle will have EXACTLY 85% of the bloom that it did previously.

Reducing the time it takes for the reticle to expand and collapse by 85% would definitely validate your OP, but this is not the case.