I hate to see all these negative comments about Halo 5, and the worst part is they’re all true. I don’t know if 343 has to keep their lips sealed but if some info about why things have just been so completely floppy with release/latest “updates”.
I just an so frustrated being in the dark about all this and would love to hear from someone with something to say, I hope I’m not the only one.
-Thanks everyone.
I don’t know for sure if we can lay the blame solely on 343. Some of this nonsense could be due to Microsoft trying to pull extra $$$ through shady practices.
You’re not the only one. People see me as a raging hater, but the truth is that I want to like Halo 5, but I can’t with all these problems.
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> I don’t know for sure if we can lay the blame solely on 343. Some of this nonsense could be due to Microsoft trying to pull extra $$$ through shady practices.
Money concerns didn’t write that terrible story. Besides, 343 had 3.5 years to make this game and all the resources of Microsoft behind them (this is their flagship property after all), if 343 can’t put out a complete game in that time frame then it is no ones fault but their own.
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> > I don’t know for sure if we can lay the blame solely on 343. Some of this nonsense could be due to Microsoft trying to pull extra $$$ through shady practices.
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> Money concerns didn’t write that terrible story. Besides, 343 had 3.5 years to make this game and all the resources of Microsoft behind them (this is their flagship property after all), if 343 can’t put out a complete game in that time frame then it is no ones fault but their own.
I wasn’t trying to downplay 343’s incompetence, I was implying the possibility that the game may have been purposely been left unfinished (at Microsoft’s whim)for some sort of complex business strategy (I mean they are pulling in quite the haul from dem REQ packs).
Of course that is just a conspiracy theory.
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> > I don’t know for sure if we can lay the blame solely on 343. Some of this nonsense could be due to Microsoft trying to pull extra $$$ through shady practices.
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> Money concerns didn’t write that terrible story. Besides, 343 had 3.5 years to make this game and all the resources of Microsoft behind them (this is their flagship property after all), if 343 can’t put out a complete game in that time frame then it is no ones fault but their own.
Well, I kinda agree with Dirty Dan. I think most know the travesty that Bungie/Activision pulled when Destiny was released, I think something similar happened here with Halo 5, 343i probably put forth their best effort only to have Microsoft cut a few corners. I believe with all my heart and soul 343i is passionate about Halo, its Microsoft I’m worried about.
Unfortunately, I don’t think 343i will ever spill the beans on their big brother Microsoft but I just felt the need to let out my frustration in the most constructive way possible.
They’ve been responding and have changed and fixed the majority of the problems. There will be no nerfing, buffing, or anything done to the weapons so give that up. If you’ve read anything 343 has said they already talked about more playlist to come and more maps will be released. They actually responded very quickly to problems that needed to be addressed right away. 343 is releasing things slowly on purpose. They want to make sure they have the gameplay right and they didn’t want another MCC. People should appreciate what they’re doing. People don’t understand that the people working on H5 love and play halo just as much as they next person. The half -Yoinked!- maps people talk about…I don’t think people understand how long it takes to create a map. Especially with naming every thing on their. I don’t care if it’s based off another map, they still had to create the damn thing.
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> Well, I kinda agree with Dirty Dan. I think most know the travesty that Bungie/Activision pulled when Destiny was released, I think something similar happened here with Halo 5, 343i probably put forth their best effort only to have Microsoft cut a few corners. I believe with all my heart and soul 343i is passionate about Halo, its Microsoft I’m worried about.
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> Unfortunately, I don’t think 343i will ever spill the beans on their big brother Microsoft but I just felt the need to let out my frustration in the most constructive way possible.
If Microsoft is so shady then why did every other Halo game release with so much more content? It’s not Microsoft that made so many bad decisions with Halo 4’s multiplayer, it’s not Microsoft that made the MCC matchmaking such a broken mess, it’s not Microsoft that decided to have Chief in only 3 campaign missions in Halo 5 or to have no social play lists. I don’t see why people have such faith in 343 when they have failed to meet expectations time and time again.
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> > > Money concerns didn’t write that terrible story. Besides, 343 had 3.5 years to make this game and all the resources of Microsoft behind them (this is their flagship property after all), if 343 can’t put out a complete game in that time frame then it is no ones fault but their own.
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> > Well, I kinda agree with Dirty Dan. I think most know the travesty that Bungie/Activision pulled when Destiny was released, I think something similar happened here with Halo 5, 343i probably put forth their best effort only to have Microsoft cut a few corners. I believe with all my heart and soul 343i is passionate about Halo, its Microsoft I’m worried about.
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> > Unfortunately, I don’t think 343i will ever spill the beans on their big brother Microsoft but I just felt the need to let out my frustration in the most constructive way possible.
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> If Microsoft is so shady then why did every other Halo game release with so much more content? It’s not Microsoft that made so many bad decisions with Halo 4’s multiplayer, it’s not Microsoft that made the MCC matchmaking such a broken mess, it’s not Microsoft that decided to have Chief in only 3 campaign missions in Halo 5 or to have no social play lists. I don’t see why people have such faith in 343 when they have failed to meet expectations time and time again.
Does Microsoft not have more influence over game design since Bungie signed it over? That’s kind of what I’m basing this theory on, but if that’s not true then that would sort of debunk it.
It was to my understanding that Bungie owned Halo, but Microsoft would publish it and profit off of it. And then after Bungie signed it over, Microsoft put together 343 to create the games, but with Microsoft being the ultimate decision maker in the end (so if they were to say, “add micro-transactions,” then 343 would be obliged to do it).
And lmao, I don’t know why anyone has faith in 343 either, 'cause they have done truly unacceptable things.
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> They’ve been responding and have changed and fixed the majority of the problems. There will be no nerfing, buffing, or anything done to the weapons so give that up. If you’ve read anything 343 has said they already talked about more playlist to come and more maps will be released. They actually responded very quickly to problems that needed to be addressed right away. 343 is releasing things slowly on purpose. They want to make sure they have the gameplay right and they didn’t want another MCC. People should appreciate what they’re doing. People don’t understand that the people working on H5 love and play halo just as much as they next person. The half -Yoinked!- maps people talk about…I don’t think people understand how long it takes to create a map. Especially with naming every thing on their. I don’t care if it’s based off another map, they still had to create the damn thing.
I’m perfectly fine with the gameplay. Arena is phenomenal, Warzone is a work in progress in my opinion but whatever. I think whats bothering me the most is the community backlash, its so disheartening. Also, I don’t think the weapons should be nerfed. People are just -Yoinking!- about stuff they don’t know how to use because they don’t understand the mechanics yet and feel entitled to have the game tailored to their needs.
And this is where I see why people are angry; 343 has had two releases prior to H5, H4 was good in my opinon, solid release and very few server issues. MCC was shoddy, haven’t played it, but I heard MP was down for months. But to have such a large amount of problems at launch AGAIN is a little excessive I guess. Just my opinion, I still love Halo and plan to sink quite a few more hour into Halo 5, because I know its a work in progress and it will get better.
I wish it was simple enough for you people to just leave. Most people on here really dont want to hear your whining unless its constructive criticism.
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> I wish it was simple enough for you people to just leave. Most people on here really dont want to hear your whining unless its constructive criticism.
I’m not whining, I’m legitimately concerned about whats happening at the studio. What I would whine about is how much other people are whining.
im having trouble playing online none of them are fun everyone knows the spawn points now just fix the dam spawns and most of the weapons feel op and most people seem impossible to kill or they camp in the same place for hours -_-
90% of the complaints towards Halo 5 are irrational comparisons to previous Halo games, as most people don’t know what they’re talking about. Things like a poor story, lack of content, and the quality of maps are all legitimate concerns; however, things like a specific ability is OP, Forge controls are too steep, or the multiplayer overall isn’t Halo 2 are very superficial ways of thinking.
Well, Frankie responded to critics of people who thought Cortana turning evil was a bad idea by calling them young fans who lack subtly and nuance. What a great response from the franchise director about his game with robots that have glowing skull faces and giant machines with mean hung skull faces. You know, subtly.
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> > > > Money concerns didn’t write that terrible story. Besides, 343 had 3.5 years to make this game and all the resources of Microsoft behind them (this is their flagship property after all), if 343 can’t put out a complete game in that time frame then it is no ones fault but their own.
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> > > Well, I kinda agree with Dirty Dan. I think most know the travesty that Bungie/Activision pulled when Destiny was released, I think something similar happened here with Halo 5, 343i probably put forth their best effort only to have Microsoft cut a few corners. I believe with all my heart and soul 343i is passionate about Halo, its Microsoft I’m worried about.
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> > > Unfortunately, I don’t think 343i will ever spill the beans on their big brother Microsoft but I just felt the need to let out my frustration in the most constructive way possible.
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> > If Microsoft is so shady then why did every other Halo game release with so much more content? It’s not Microsoft that made so many bad decisions with Halo 4’s multiplayer, it’s not Microsoft that made the MCC matchmaking such a broken mess, it’s not Microsoft that decided to have Chief in only 3 campaign missions in Halo 5 or to have no social play lists. I don’t see why people have such faith in 343 when they have failed to meet expectations time and time again.
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> It was to my understanding that Bungie owned Halo, but Microsoft would publish it and profit off of it. And then after Bungie signed it over, Microsoft put together 343 to create the games, but with Microsoft being the ultimate decision maker in the end (so if they were to say, “add micro-transactions,” then 343 would be obliged to do it).
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> And lmao, I don’t know why anyone has faith in 343 either, 'cause they have done truly unacceptable things.
Bungie owned Halo up until the point that Microsoft bought them out sometime before Halo: CE released. Since then Microsoft has always owned Halo, Bungie was simply the developer.
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> Well, Frankie responded to critics of people who thought Cortana turning evil was a bad idea by calling them young fans who lack subtly and nuance. What a great response from the franchise director about his game with robots that have glowing skull faces and giant machines with mean hung skull faces. You know, subtly.
if thats what he thinks about some of the fans then he’s an idiot, a -Yoinking!- moron. The worst thing he could do is alienate people who don’t agree with him. -Yoink- you Frankie. I do not have high hopes for this franchise. Rant over.
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> Well, Frankie responded to critics of people who thought Cortana turning evil was a bad idea by calling them young fans who lack subtly and nuance. What a great response from the franchise director about his game with robots that have glowing skull faces and giant machines with mean hung skull faces. You know, subtly.
I like Frank O’Connor. He seems like a nice enough guy, but some of his responses to what fans (Not the irrational haters/trolls btw) are asking seem like a bad choice of words and reason.
And his excuse for not adding match making for campaign was pretty bad considering they took out split screen.
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> Well, Frankie responded to critics of people who thought Cortana turning evil was a bad idea by calling them young fans who lack subtly and nuance. What a great response from the franchise director about his game with robots that have glowing skull faces and giant machines with mean hung skull faces. You know, subtly.
The ironic thing about that quote is that most of the people opposed to Cortana’s transformation are veteran/older fans of the game series. The younger, newer fans are more likely to either approve of the new Cortana or be indifferent to it than the older fans lol.
I’m with OP here. What. The. Hell. Happened. Up until launch everything about Halo 5 looked amazing. The story looked like it would be the best one since Halo 2. Multiplayer was set to rival Halo 3 (IMO it does in some areas). Warzone looked like it was going to revolutionize large scale Halo MP. But after it came out, everything outside the core gameplay mechanics felt so half-baked and underdeveloped. The campaign was pathetically short and the story was -Yoink-. Arena was fun but the playlists were WAY too limited. Warzone was good but not as great as expected, and is really just getting worse and worse as more people learn how to exploit it and cheese bosses. Custom games got shot in the foot, again, with very limited gametypes and gametype options and a lack of forge. I have very strong suspicion that Halo 5 may have suffered the same fate as Destiny, albeit to a lesser extent. This feels particularly true of the story, as it resembles nothing of what was originally promised and had no tie ins with any of their marketing like Hunt the Truth. Although that may be attributed to a lack of oversight over the writing team, who lazily decided to -Yoink- out the story we got instead of develop the framework that H4’s writer left to instead focus on MP. Luckily 343 does seem to be listening and is trying to fix the games many problems, but unfortunately it feels like they’re just not responding fast enough. It seems like they just try to push everything into their monthly updates to make them look like they have more content when they should be pushing out things the second they’re ready to be released. But, in the end I’m not too worried about the MP side of the game, as I know that eventually they’ll fix it’s issues and give it more content. What worries me is the campaign. It was so unbelievably bad that I honestly don’t want a sequel while that pile of -Yoink- is still considered cannon. They NEED to at least significantly expand upon and rearrange the campaign if not completely redo so we can at least get some semblance of what we were promised back in 2013. Anyone agree?
> Well, Frankie responded to critics of people who thought Cortana turning evil was a bad idea by calling them young fans who lack subtly and nuance. What a great response from the franchise director about his game with robots that have glowing skull faces and giant machines with mean hung skull faces. You know, subtly.
Really? That’s very disappointing. Frankie was one of the few people I really liked at 343. C’mon Frank, you’re better than that. Maybe he’s just mad that he didn’t reign in Brian Reed and his -Yoink- before it was too late and is now lashing out at the criticism because he feels responsible for the deplorable state the Halo universe is now in. At least I hope that’s the case and not that he actually believes H5’s story or how Cortana was presented was any good at all. I would be severely disappointed with him then.