the article does express something i’m in agreement with but i still think halo can utilize customizable load outs while staying true to arena style gameplay, it would be actually pretty awesome if 343i pulled this off and would probably help halo stay alive for longer because its actually different from the rest of the market.
honsetly, why will people play halo if it contains the same features as other games on the market when the other games have a higher population? simply put, they won’t, they’ll play the popular game because they’re friends are playing it.
halo being different from the mainstream market actually gives people a reason to play halo over other games, its different, people buy and play halo for a different gameplay experience that isn’t present in other games, the game can evolve and change can happen as long as halo is still staying true to its routes.
as an example, customizable load out options can consist of basic weapons that can be utilized effectiveley to counter other weapons, how ever weapons on map provide a better advantage and use then what you can spawn with but they have to be earned through skill and not giving to you at spawn, these weapons can also be countered somewhat by what you spawn with so players have the ability to fight back against a team that has control over them.
eh, i thought the article was interesting and worth posting, a friend posted in a private group and i’m sharing it with you guys.
This request is sadly far to late. It is going to be done and Halo will no longer be an arena shooter whether you argue it or not. What makes Halo multiplayer HALO is that it was an arena shooter. Just because you boast that Halo has changed doesn’t make it right. If we played football the same for 40 years and got a completely new set of rules, ITS NOT FOOTBALL
Halo 4 will be built for a new market of fans while 343 tries to appease the old ones with small additions like a classic playlist… The fact is though “Halo” will be a different game in 4, 5, and 6.
> The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
> > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
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> not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
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> power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
there are loadouts that are default for each mode/map so you can still spawn with a br/dmr or wat ever before you unlock them for your personal loadout
> > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
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> not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
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> power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
> > > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
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> > not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
> >
> > power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
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> there are loadouts that are default for each mode/map so you can still spawn with a br/dmr or wat ever before you unlock them for your personal loadout
that still defeats the purpose of weapons on map and load outs should not depend on map, if they do then there is an obvious balancing problem.
> > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
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> Playing time will still give you advantages over new players, which is dumb.
Not exactly.
If they ace the trueskill system, then you’ll be fighting people around your level. You won’t be the only one with specializations, or the DMR. You won’t be able to completely wreak havoc on newer players because you won’t be facing newer players.
> > > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
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> > not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
> >
> > power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
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> the kill times are halo 3 kill times
Where are you getting this information?
Assuming that the BR from Halo 3 and 4 have the same ROF
> > > > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
> > >
> > > not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
> > >
> > > power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
> >
> > there are loadouts that are default for each mode/map so you can still spawn with a br/dmr or wat ever before you unlock them for your personal loadout
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> that still defeats the purpose of weapons on map and load outs should not depend on map, if they do then there is an obvious balancing problem.
just NO, there are still power/ medium power weapons on maps
> > > > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
> > >
> > > not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
> > >
> > > power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
> >
> > the kill times are halo 3 kill times
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> Where are you getting this information?
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> Assuming that the BR from Halo 3 and 4 have the same ROF
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> Halo 3 BR= 4 shots
> Halo 4 BR= 5 shots
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> Wut?
the br was changed to be balanced with the dmr and other weapons, kill times have not changed
> > > > > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
> > > >
> > > > not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
> > > >
> > > > power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
> > >
> > > the kill times are halo 3 kill times
> >
> > Where are you getting this information?
> >
> > Assuming that the BR from Halo 3 and 4 have the same ROF
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> > Halo 3 BR= 4 shots
> > Halo 4 BR= 5 shots
> >
> > Wut?
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> the br was changed to be balanced with the dmr and other weapons, kill times have not changed
So I lemme get this straight, I really am trying to understand your logic here. The kill times are the same as Halo 3? But the weapons are balanced around having equal kill times? Even though we know for a fact each weapon kills more effectively at different ranges AND they have different ROFS
From what I understand the speed of fire from slowest to fastest (Headshot weapons only) is DMR, BR, Carbine.
Your saying they have the same kill time as the one Halo 3 headshot rifle, the BR?
> > > > > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
> > > >
> > > > not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
> > > >
> > > > power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
> > >
> > > there are loadouts that are default for each mode/map so you can still spawn with a br/dmr or wat ever before you unlock them for your personal loadout
> >
> > that still defeats the purpose of weapons on map and load outs should not depend on map, if they do then there is an obvious balancing problem.
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> just NO, there are still power/ medium power weapons on maps
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those are only in map for very short periods of time, there is no more even spawning and advantages are given to people who play the game more then others, 343i even stated that they’re trying to remove the advantage of map knowldge by telling people where the weapons are…
halo isn’t really arena any more, the only differnce it has compared to other games is kill times and forge, that is it which is practically nothing.
being able to customize the basic weapons you spawn with is fine, they’ll be easier balanced and allow for even symmetrical spawning while aysmmetrical designed, weapons on map are earned via fighting for them and map knowledge and provide a little extra advantage over the people with the basic weapons but the basic weapons still have a small counter that can be used to fight back against people with these weapons.
> > The way you described is the way it already works. You can’t spawn with power weapons.
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> not really because you can still spawn with the more usefull weapons such as the BR.
>
> power weapons are hardly on the map and aren’t countered with what you can spawn with becaue of there extremely fast kill times, 1SK isn’t counterable with a weapon that requires more shots, i was reffering to earning weapons like the BR while spawning with a magnum, ultimately the BR is more usefull but the magnum can still counter it.
The BR is not a power weapon. the Primary weapons are designed as starting weapons.
I don’t understand what you want. So you want people to spawn with weapons that are worse than the primary weapons, which in turn are worse than power weapons.
The whole purpose of loadouts is to eliminate the search for weapons that are either clearly more powerful than the starting weapon(Magnum vs BR) or are so similar in power and purpose that why would you bother going out of your way to pick it up(BR vs Carbine).
> honsetly, why will people play halo if it contains the same features as other games on the market when the other games have a higher population? simply put, they won’t, they’ll play the popular game because they’re friends are playing it.
Thats how I see it. Why would I play the crappy imitation when I could play the real thing while playing with my friends.
If anything, 343 is getting rid of the AR vs. BR vs. DMR vs. Carbine. vs. Weapon X, Y, and Z debate.
343 is doing the sensible thing and giving everyone the choice of which weapon they want to spawn with. In past Halo games, people would gripe like hell when they had to play games where they didn’t spawn with their precious Battle Rifle or DMR. Now, you can still find power weapons on the map, but now the sandbox is more open because players can pick their favourite weapon and actually be guaranteed to use it.
For example, think of every map that featured a Carbine in Halo 3. Epitaph, Citadel, High Ground, Snowbound, Heretic, default Sandbox, Assembly, and Guardian are the only maps with Carbines by default. Of the twenty-three maps released for Halo 3, only eight have Carbines. If you preferred the Carbine over the Battle Rifle, you were screwed on fifteen maps. By allowing players to pick their preferred starting weapon, now the Carbine-loving players can get their Carbines, Assault Rifle-loving players get their Assault Rifles, and BR/DMR-loving players get their weapons without any fuss. 343 is even giving us the ability to pick TWO of these weapons if you use the Firepower modification.
> If anything, 343 is getting rid of the AR vs. BR vs. DMR vs. Carbine. vs. Weapon X, Y, and Z debate.
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> 343 is doing the sensible thing and giving everyone the choice of which weapon they want to spawn with. In past Halo games, people would gripe like hell when they had to play games where they didn’t spawn with their precious Battle Rifle or DMR. Now, you can still find power weapons on the map, but now the sandbox is more open because players can pick their favourite weapon and actually be guaranteed to use it.
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> For example, think of every map that featured a Carbine in Halo 3. Epitaph, Citadel, High Ground, Snowbound, Heretic, default Sandbox, Assembly, and Guardian are the only maps with Carbines by default. Of the twenty-three maps released for Halo 3, only eight have Carbines. If you preferred the Carbine over the Battle Rifle, you were screwed on fifteen maps. By allowing players to pick their preferred starting weapon, now the Carbine-loving players can get their Carbines, Assault Rifle-loving players get their Assault Rifles, and BR/DMR-loving players get their weapons without any fuss. 343 is even giving us the ability to pick TWO of these weapons if you use the Firepower modification.
Yes, except you forgot you have to unlock the weapons, giving the players who play longer, a bigger advantage. I know there’s going to be a true skill system, that will try to match us up with our same levels. But, that system won’t work if there is a low population count.
Your example basically describes how halo 4 will probably be. IMO It would be absolutely idiotic if they don’t place regular weapons on the map for people who haven’t unlocked them for loadouts yet. You probably didn’t see regularly spawning weapons at the public demos because they’re public demos and 343 doesn’t want anyone to know where your brs and dmrs are gonna spawn before the game is out.