343i, Please Add a Solo Only Skirmish Playlist

This is already getting severely annoying. Really good players are getting in fireteams and just massacring everyone in team skirmish. Allowing fireteams just encourages farming like behaviour and I really don’t think team skirmish is the type of playlist to allow it in. It’s meant to be the casual version of team arena and its getting really hard to kill anyone because players that should be playing ranked would rather slaughter some “noobs” with their mates. Please rectify this as soon as possible 343 its already getting old!

Edit: People are taking personal offence to me thinking solo players should have a place on Halo 5, other than just on FFA. So I’m changing this topic to:- Please add a solo only skirmish playlist.

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> This is already getting severely annoying. Really good players are getting in fireteams and just massacring everyone in team skirmish. Allowing fireteams just encourages farming like behaviour and I really don’t think team skirmish is the type of playlist to allow it in. It’s meant to be the casual version of team arena and its getting really hard to kill anyone because players that should be playing ranked would rather slaughter some “noobs” with their mates. Please rectify this as soon as possible 343 its already getting old!

First off, just because you are getting decimated doesn’t mean its by a full team, and unless you got a statement straight from them, or they are in the same clan, you can’t tell. So please don’t spount anymore hate speech without proof when it might just be you.

Second, yeah, it’s totally not like I want to get together with some friends and talk to them while playing social, instead of their being silence, or one of the many mic users out there! /s Yeah no. Just because people form a team doesn’t mean they are sweaties or should play ranked. Some of them just want to have a fun time together in social without worrying about stats.

Third, how about instead of complaining to 343 about this minor issue you look up some tips and “git gud” if losing or getting beaten in a social match bothers you so much? I hate using “git gud” but that is probably the route of your “problem”.

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> This is already getting severely annoying. Really good players are getting in fireteams and just massacring everyone in team skirmish. Allowing fireteams just encourages farming like behaviour and I really don’t think team skirmish is the type of playlist to allow it in. It’s meant to be the casual version of team arena and its getting really hard to kill anyone because players that should be playing ranked would rather slaughter some “noobs” with their mates. Please rectify this as soon as possible 343 its already getting old!

This has always happened in social playlists. Sometimes people just want to have fun with their friends rather than play a serious game. Sometimes those people are just better than you. It sucks, but it’s life.

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> > This is already getting severely annoying. Really good players are getting in fireteams and just massacring everyone in team skirmish. Allowing fireteams just encourages farming like behaviour and I really don’t think team skirmish is the type of playlist to allow it in. It’s meant to be the casual version of team arena and its getting really hard to kill anyone because players that should be playing ranked would rather slaughter some “noobs” with their mates. Please rectify this as soon as possible 343 its already getting old!
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> First off, just because you are getting decimated doesn’t mean its by a full team, and unless you got a statement straight from them, or they are in the same clan, you can’t tell. So please don’t spount anymore hate speech without proof when it might just be you.
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> Second, yeah, it’s totally not like I want to get together with some friends and talk to them while playing social, instead of their being silence, or one of the many mic users out there! /s Yeah no. Just because people form a team doesn’t mean they are sweaties or should play ranked. Some of them just want to have a fun time together in social without worrying about stats.
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> Third, how about instead of complaining to 343 about this minor issue you look up some tips and “git gud” if losing or getting beaten in a social match bothers you so much? I hate using “git gud” but that is probably the route of your “problem”.

First off, say anything about “git good” again and that’s the tiny shred of credibility you do have completely gone. This is a casual mode you complete ape. Secondly, when three members of the enemy teams names start and end with XI AND they all have Achilles, I think that’s a dead give away so nice try patronising me. Thirdly, even were it not that obvious, YOU CAN SEE WHO IS IN A PARTY WITH WHO. Are you new to Xbox? And I’m sorry but its meant to be casual, dont give me that tired BS about wanting to play with friends. If youre not fighting to win why do you need to actually be in a fireteam when you can still chat in a party. You’re obviously one of the people in question, evidenced by the fact you’re talking out your -Yoink- to try defend it. Actually think the next time you try to be clever. Go “spout” somewhere else.

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> > This is already getting severely annoying. Really good players are getting in fireteams and just massacring everyone in team skirmish. Allowing fireteams just encourages farming like behaviour and I really don’t think team skirmish is the type of playlist to allow it in. It’s meant to be the casual version of team arena and its getting really hard to kill anyone because players that should be playing ranked would rather slaughter some “noobs” with their mates. Please rectify this as soon as possible 343 its already getting old!
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> This has always happened in social playlists. Sometimes people just want to have fun with their friends rather than play a serious game. Sometimes those people are just better than you. It sucks, but it’s life.

It’s only been out a day and this is already a very noticeable problem. Last game I did finished 50-10, and again most of the enemy team were wearing Achilles. There’s got to be some sort of safegaurd because people always look to take advantage of things like this, the idea of a casual mode is its supposed to be fun. When you’ve got teams of 4 steamrolling everyone when they know for a fact they’d be having just as much fun on ranked is just evil. And if they are doing it for fun, then that’s worse. This is the exact reason I rarely touch Warzone, there is (or was) absolutely nothing in the way of the mode getting completely bogged down and having all the fun sucked out of it. Apart from introducing skill matching (which is what ranked is obviously, despite it not working at all), all they can do is limit fireteam size. Seems to me like a benefit to the few and a detriment to the many in its current state.

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> First off, say anything about “git good” again and that’s the tiny shred of credibility you do have completely gone. This is a casual mode you complete ape.

Well, you are treating this mode like its ranked, acting as if these loses are gonna kill you. Stuff happens, get over it. You won’t win every game, neither will you not ever find a game where you get blown out. Plus, calling me an ape, doesn’t make my points any less valid, it only serves to discredit yours.

> Secondly, when three members of the enemy teams names start and end with XI AND they all have Achilles, I think that’s a dead give away so nice try patronising me.

So because they like having ‘Xl’ or just ‘X’ in their name, with Achilies they are tryhards? Dude, its been more than 8 months since Achilies came out, even most of the casual companies have it. It’s not a sign of skill, or of a tryhard. It’s the sign of someone who grinded and enjoyed the game, more specifically warzone.

> Thirdly, even were it not that obvious, YOU CAN SEE WHO IS IN A PARTY WITH WHO.

How? I don’t really care to check if a team I got blown out by is in a team, but even then my basic understanding is that there are only the two ways I listed.

> And I’m sorry but its meant to be casual, dont give me that tired BS about wanting to play with friends. If youre not fighting to win why do you need to actually be in a fireteam when you can still chat in a party.

Cause I want to not only talk with them, but play with them too. You obviously seem to have no friends if you can’t understand this basic concept. I want to talk about how the enemy is playing, how we are playing, joke around with each other, and just chill together and instead of hearing about their separate games we can talk about the one were playing. It’s not BS, its called having friends.

> You’re obviously one of the people in question, evidenced by the fact you’re talking out your -Yoink- to try defend it. Actually think the next time you try to be clever. Go “spout” somewhere else.

If anyone is talking out their -Yoink- it would be the person who not only started attacking me, but also backs up his claims with simple stereotypes that can easily be false, and cannot be proven without 343’s data. I know what I’m talking about cause not only do I do this, but I play against people like this, talk to them, talk with teammates who do it, and just communicate. Simply inferring something to be true even though I know you know its false, only spreads more hate and misinformation. Something that does nothing.

You completely lost me at this point

> its meant to be casual, dont give me that tired BS about wanting to play with friends. If youre not fighting to win why do you need to actually be in a fireteam when you can still chat in a party.

Yeah, its the worst. I’d also like if fireteams stopped being allowed into free for all, please. Oh and team snipers. And Slayer… how bout Team Arena? Did I mention BTB yet? Oh, dont forget infection… wouldent want the survivors to win any rounds, yah know? Oh, and Firefight, because those poor AI don’t stand a chance against coordinated players…

Well, if i still had friends with whom to play, I would enjoy playing social gametypes with them, like I did in past Halo games. Ranked playlists were never for me. So yeah, no, I can’t say that I agree with this. Sorry.

Gears 4 solved the issue of team in social, and it seems to be working well from my time online in it.

Gears 4 allows for a max fire team of 2 in the social playlist, therefore allowing a buddy system, but maintaining the casual atmosphere. The only playlist you can party up with a full fireteam is ranked.

Halo 5 could implement the same system and I’m sure it would work.

I agree and disagree about the whole fireteam ruining social, and do think that allowing a partial fireteam woukd work out.

Just add a Lone Wolves-esque playlist. Problem solved.

Doctor Reasons

> Well, you are treating this mode like its ranked, acting as if these loses are gonna kill you. Stuff happens, get over it. You won’t win every game, neither will you not ever find a game where you get blown out. Plus, calling me an ape, doesn’t make my points any less valid, it only serves to discredit yours.

No, I am not treating this mode like its ranked, the people teaming up with the sole intention of winning are. If you’re going to get this involved, at least have the decency to read what I’m saying properly. No where did I even remotely infer that this was about winning matches. This isn’t about winning or losing, even in ranked I couldn’t care less about my win/loss ratio. This is about having fun. And if some 4 man team is destroying you in 50% of games, there is no fun. Are you saying I should enjoy being steamrollered and getting no chance to get a shot off, let alone get a kill? Spending 5-10 minutes being completely over powered by people who make sure they always have at least two guns on you to make sure you don’t get a chance for a kill is not my idea of fun. And no, it discredits nothing Mr “git good”, what a typical lazy excuse of someone who has no argument. You do realise how completely moronic that is don’t you? “Git good” is completely meaningless, unless you’re stat flaming? From what I’ve said you have absolutely zero indication of my skill level, only that of it in comparison to a full fireteam of people who are working together and who have played the game for a long time vs me and three randoms, and I would wager a skilled fireteam would get the best of pretty much any combination of 4 randoms who aren’t communicating. I could be borderline pro level playing against Optic Gaming and that would fit the information I’ve given you perfectly. Unless like I said you’ve decided to look in my stats and are stat flaming me. In which case beware.

> So because they like having ‘Xl’ or just ‘X’ in their name, with Achilies they are tryhards? Dude, its been more than 8 months since Achilies came out, even most of the casual companies have it. It’s not a sign of skill, or of a tryhard. It’s the sign of someone who grinded and enjoyed the game, more specifically warzone.

No, the fact that they play like tryhards makes them tryhards… or are you going to now say that you cant detect that from their performance? They obviously know full well they will ruin the vast majority of people they come against, knowing its casual and that lesser skilled, solo players will be more likely to be playing it. This is a matter of decency above all else, and the concept of even slight sportsmanship seems completely alien to these people. I have nothing against Achilles, I’m even in a company trying to get it, but more often than not it IS a sign of someone who is far higher than average skill level. I’ve personally done 2,600+ games and more often than not am the highest level player in any given lobby, and many people in my company have done significantly more than that, and we’re still nowhere close to the helmet.

> How? I don’t really care to check if a team I got blown out by is in a team, but even then my basic understanding is that there are only the two ways I listed.

Incredibly easily, you go on their player card and basically the first thing is a list of who they are in a party with. This feature is no secret and I’m not an idiot, I wouldn’t bother making these claims if I didn’t know for a fact what I’m up against. And I also wouldn’t care to check either, except due to the frequency of these massacres and the need to have something done about it.

> Cause I want to not only talk with them, but play with them too. You obviously seem to have no friends if you can’t understand this basic concept. I want to talk about how the enemy is playing, how we are playing, joke around with each other, and just chill together and instead of hearing about their separate games we can talk about the one were playing. It’s not BS, its called having friends.

Hahaha I must have a different sort of circle of friends to you. I am shamefully going to admit that most of my friends are significantly more successful and busy than me, they’re not children any more and have very busy lives that rarely allow for playing games. Especially not for long enough to be good at Halo online. Which takes a considerable amount of time to master. Also me and my friends like to socialise in person because busy lives keep us apart, which is why when I do play Halo I’m usually solo I want to just sit back and have fun, not just be relentlessly outgunned by a co-ordinated team. And fair enough if that’s your opinion, but are really trying to make me believe that if you play in team skirmish in a 4 man team you’re not still going to try hard to win it? Because from your attitude I don’t believe that for a second. And if Warzone has taught me anything, its that a lot of Halo players don’t have a shred of sportsmanship.

> If anyone is talking out their -Yoink- it would be the person who not only started attacking me, but also backs up his claims with simple stereotypes that can easily be false, and cannot be proven without 343’s data. I know what I’m talking about cause not only do I do this, but I play against people like this, talk to them, talk with teammates who do it, and just communicate. Simply inferring something to be true even though I know you know its false, only spreads more hate and misinformation. Something that does nothing.

Right ok, so “git good” “/s” “don’t spout anymore hate speech” aren’t deliberately antagonistic phrases? You went on the offense first my friend, so don’t try to pass this off on me, just because you tried to be sly with it doesn’t give you any moral high ground. And honestly, I don’t think you do know what you’re talking about. You don’t seem to even slightly grasp that casual modes should be fun, and that fireteams very obviously and demonstrably act as an enormous thorn in the side of the many more people who play solo (I refer to the plethora of threads about Warzone imbalance), either through choice or circumstance. “Even though you know its false.” Please don’t lower this debate to that level. Don’t presume to speak for me because you clearly don’t understand how I think, at all. I come from the perspective of whats best for everyone, not loads of matches go to -Yoink- just so people have one more gamemode they can play with their friends.
Whats my option then? Get less successful friends or only play FFA (which even then relies on broken skill ranking)? Even infection allows fireteams for christs sake. The skill ranks have always been broken (proof, more proof) and it doesn’t look like that will ever change, so putting some sort of restriction on fireteams in at least ONE 4v4 mode is the only way this will stop happening. Sorry I want this game to be for everyone, and not just people who play with friends. Theres plenty of modes for fireteams already, I just want this ONE for solos, as, to be fair, its supposed to be casual.

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> Yeah, its the worst. I’d also like if fireteams stopped being allowed into free for all, please. Oh and team snipers. And Slayer… how bout Team Arena? Did I mention BTB yet? Oh, dont forget infection… wouldent want the survivors to win any rounds, yah know? Oh, and Firefight, because those poor AI don’t stand a chance against coordinated players…

Sorry, aren’t solo players allowed any modes other than FFA? Take your sarcasm elsewhere if you have nothing constructive to say.

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> Gears 4 solved the issue of team in social, and it seems to be working well from my time online in it.
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> Gears 4 allows for a max fire team of 2 in the social playlist, therefore allowing a buddy system, but maintaining the casual atmosphere. The only playlist you can party up in is ranked.
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> Halo 5 could implement the same system and I’m sure it would work.
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> I agree and disagree about the whole fireteam ruining social, and do think that allowing a partial fireteam woukd work out.

All I want is ONE playlist for solo players other than FFA. There are currently 14 playlists just for Arena that allow fireteams and only one tha doesn’t, why are people offended that I suggest that one casual one should be akin to mercenary deathmatch on CoD, something Activisons devs realised over a decade ago? People hate with minimal understanding. I’m not even saying anything against fireteams in casual modes in general, it just annoys me that there’s no alternative choice for people who play solo. Of which there are many!

Social playlists have always been the “hunting grounds” for the more skilled players. Today, I got a kda of +10 one game and then a measly +2 the next when playing some more coordinated players who were looking to pad their stats. The main reason I play Team Skirmish is to get Assault, other than that, I’d use the custom games browser for a more laid back game.

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> Social playlists have always been the “hunting grounds” for the more skilled players. Today, I got a kda of +10 one game and then a measly +2 the next when playing some more coordinated players who were looking to pad their stats. The main reason I play Team Skirmish is to get Assault, other than that, I’d use the custom games browser for a more laid back game.

It looks like that’s my only option at this stage seeing as most people don’t seem to think this game should cater even one mode to solo players. In which case, goodbye reqs, goodbye stats, and goodbye xp progression :frowning:

Many players are angry at the moment because the ONLY Warzone playlist for teams of 12 has been restricted to 6 person fire teams instead of numerous other solutions that have been discussed for months by everyone. So you may get some aggressive responses to mentions of fire team restrictions. While you may have some unfair games against teams in social playlists, people who like playing with their whole teams of 12 in Warzone now have no options at all. I can definitely see your perspective though, especially considering small teams have other options that keep their team together including the ranked equivalent or BTB.

I’ve long hoped for a Team Arena style playlist with a max party size of 1. Allow for folks to search solo for a team game without the worry of getting rolled by coordinated groups. Team Skirmish would be a natural place for that.

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> Many players are angry at the moment because the ONLY Warzone playlist for teams of 12 has been restricted to 6 person fire teams instead of numerous other solutions that have been discussed for months by everyone. So you may get some aggressive responses to mentions of fire team restrictions. While you may have some unfair games against teams in social playlists, people who like playing with their whole teams of 12 in Warzone now have no options at all. I can definitely see your perspective though, especially considering small teams have other options that keeps their team together including the ranked equivalent or BTB.

A completely fair statement. I also think it was wrong to remove the choice for Warzone teams, they should have kept normal Warzone and added a solo only, or “mercenary” if you will, Warzone mode. Restriction of choice is the problem I’m trying to address, solo players currently, and always have, had zero choice other than FFA which is a completely different experience to any 4v4 mode I can think of. And I understand that tensions are high but that’s no reason to completely debase the undeniable fact that there needs to be some solo only playlists, which unfortunately many people seem set on doing :confused:

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> I’ve long hoped for a Team Arena style playlist with a max party size of 1. Allow for folks to search solo for a team game without the worry of getting rolled by coordinated groups. Team Skirmish would be a natural place for that.

Same here, and team skirmish seems the natural fit to me too which is why I’m so annoyed by the tramplings I’ve been receiving on it lol at the very least have an extra skirmish mode for solo players. It really cant be that hard and they obviously aren’t scared of having loads of playlists anymore, proven by the current total of 15 arena playlist and 5 Warzone. 20 in total, that’s ridiculous by any games standards.