Let me start by praising 343i for the updates themselves.
I think that while people sometimes didn’t get what they wanted from an update, the game itself actually improved with each update. Even with the Hog Wild update, which didn’t do a whole lot, the added REQs were always interesting and fun to use. The playlists they added (infection, grifball, etc) are HUGE, and I think while they should’ve been ready at launch, were very successful as far as bringing interest and players back to Halo 5.
However, I think most of this should have been available right from the start, and now 343i is playing catch-up.
Much like MCC (although NOT NEARLY as bad), I feel like the production of this game was rushed. The lack of social playlists, simple gametypes like Oddball and King of the Hill, and map diversity are things that should have been addressed before the launch. When you think back to Halo 3, the peak of online Halo (as far as population), you had social playlists for the casual gamer, ranked playlists for the competitive player, and fun weekend playlists like Infection and Grifball (which eventually became a mainstay). There was a wide variety of maps, not just remixes of maps already in the game (in Halo 5, Eden=Empire, Truth=Regret, etc). It felt like a game much more ready for the spotlight, which the Halo franchise should be in.
While I appreciate the free content, I would rather pay for it and have a great game out of the box, then see a dwindling population being saved every month by free content.
I’m sorry, but I have yet to be impressed with any so called DLC. Every single gametype that has been added. were ALL in previous games at launch(to my knowledge). I’m also very disappointed in the quantity and quality of maps. I love the game. But the DLC so far has been a bad joke, I would rather straight up pay for quality maps that we know when are coming out vs what we have. Compared to a lot of other games not just halo but other shooters its almost embarrassing. (I will say I did not buy Overwatch because of its lack of content. )
Warzone Firefight will be as far as I’m concerned the first real DLC.
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Some stuff like game modes should have been rhere, but a lot of stuff is new/not-at-launch-considered stuff.
Ability to adjust acceleration and individual sensitivities for example. Maps and forge updates, new vehicles and weapons/REQs. Lots of stuff. I wish halo wars 2 didn’t have season pass. I wish it followed something similar to halo 5
I would rather have free maps that I’m guaranteed to play over maps that I pay for that I may never play more than ten times, as much as I want decent quality maps not enough people buy the DLCs, at the moment free content is the only option.
343 just need to get better at making the maps to a higher standard.
I don’t consider Warzone Fire Fight really a DLC, it should of been part of the game from the get. I agree, a lot of these items, playlists, and game modes were missing from the start, and then sprinkled in through the year to keep the game fresh. I’m not so sure but it seems like Halo 5 had very limited content, and instead of having to make new stuff following the release, they cut things already in the game.
It’s a crude way to extend the life of a game, and it should never be used again.
It’s true that Halo 5 probably was pushed too much and should be relased later in order to provide more content at launch, but Mircosoft desperately needed a system seller at that time as Xbone was falling far behind the PS4. Given that Microsoft set the deadline and thus releasing the game somewhat lacking in content, the free update model is as good as it gets. I can agree that the could have prioritized more gamemodes/maps instead of some of the useless REQs in the updates, but at least the updates doesn’t split the community base depending on which DLC they have bought. For me it has been refreshing with new content every month, and it makes me always come back to try the new stuff. Hopefully Microsoft has learned their lesson and won’t rush Halo 6.
Sorry but how can you possible preface your post by praising 343i? The DLC has been a travesty, it’s not DLC, don’t call it DLC.
It’s updates to make the game what it should have been Oct.27, 2015.
DLC is something I spend money on because it is quality content, adding to the base game and creating new unique experiences on an already complete game. If this was truly free DLC, then I to would be praising 343i. The fact is, these are pathetic updates with re-hashed maps, crappy REQ’s designed to drain our wallets. There has not been a single quality thing added since launch that shouldn’t already have been in the game.
The new aerial vehicle and grunt boss, these are more in line with real updates. Still not what I would call DLC.
To those saying I like the DLC, I actually do not. I’m just saying a “better late than never” type of thing. Read the whole post and its clear I wanted this at the beginning of the game
At what point will we consider it new dlc content and not content that should of been there all ready?
For me I will happily consider it finished once there are updates on the req system, more playlist options cause for now I jump in play a game then leave I’m not being sucked in cause I’m bored of my options.
Realisticly I think maps should be getting updated on a 2-4 week basis. I hope at some point to learn forge so I can try add to the maps.
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> I like the system we have now.
Do you write anything on this forum aside from “I like it” and minor variations on that vacuous phrase? I’m honestly beginning to think you’re just a bot, based on how non-existent your contributions to any given discussion tends to be.
I like the monthly content drops it gives me something to look forward to. The free reqs they started giving out as samplers I think was a great idea. One of my friends loved the Reach sampler since he always wanted Noble armor but never had any great luck
While I appreciate the free content, it is indeed playing catch up.
That said, I have to go against the tide here and say that I would much rather prefer a full game on launch with paid DLC. I don’t know why gamers are so against paying 10-20 bucks for more content (provided the original game wasn’t withholding content).
I know many developers and publishers have shady DLC practices. I get that. But I’d rather pay a few extra bucks for additional Halo content than waiting 8 months for the game to meet the standard that was set a decade ago.
Halo fans are so used to the only paid DLC being map packs. But what if Halo provided legitimate campaign expansions? A beast mode type game where you can finally play as Covenant or Promethean? What about a full blown survival mode against the Flood that is dissimilar from Firefight and offers more depth?
There is so much that can be done with DLC and with Halo in general. It’s a massive universe with so much lore behind it, there are only a few other Sci fi universes out there with more lore.
We need to think outside the box and I hope 343 does the same. I would love to be genuinely surprised when they announce new content. And I would GLADLY pay for this kind of stuff, plus much more if they made it worth the price tag.
Bonnie Ross has said that Microsoft wants to keep Halo going for 30 years. I don’t believe in the whole “milking” argument. As long as I’m still enjoying it I’ll still be buying it. So I would hope that within those 30 years (2037 at the time of 343’s 2007 inception) we get to see some truly awesome games and content that are outside of what we as Halo fans are used to. Halo, at its core, will always be a predominately multiplayer game. But that doesn’t mean that lore hounds don’t matter. What about a game that let’s you play as an Arbiter? Or a game focused on the taming of the Hunters? The Grunt Rebellion? Fight against insurgents? Fight flood again? Introduce new characters like The Banished. It’s also long overdo that we get more space action in a Halo game. It’s downright embarrassing that Call of Duty now officially has bigger space sequences than Halo.
Halo has unlimited potential. I want to see some of that come out. As much as I love traditional Halo matchmaking, I would not be opposed to a new, fresh take on the Halo Universe every now and then.
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> While I appreciate the free content, it is indeed playing catch up.
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> That said, I have to go against the tide here and say that I would much rather prefer a full game on launch with paid DLC. I don’t know why gamers are so against paying 10-20 bucks for more content (provided the original game wasn’t withholding content).
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> I know many developers and publishers have shady DLC practices. I get that. But I’d rather pay a few extra bucks for additional Halo content than waiting 8 months for the game to meet the standard that was set a decade ago.
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> Halo fans are so used to the only paid DLC being map packs. But what if Halo provided legitimate campaign expansions? A beast mode type game where you can finally play as Covenant or Promethean? What about a full blown survival mode against the Flood that is dissimilar from Firefight and offers more depth?
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> There is so much that can be done with DLC and with Halo in general. It’s a massive universe with so much lore behind it, there are only a few other Sci fi universes out there with more lore.
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> We need to think outside the box and I hope 343 does the same. I would love to be genuinely surprised when they announce new content. And I would GLADLY pay for this kind of stuff, plus much more if they made it worth the price tag.
10-20 bucks? Where you pulling that from? I see season passes for 40-50 and even higher sometimes. Most triple A dlc isn’t 10-20 bucks. You ask why many oppose paid dlc? Well one is cuz they’re not cheap as $20. Second is most just aren’t worth it and third is when they do another set of add-one they make you pay even more. I paid 150$ on destiny, I know the battle field games are over $100 if you want all content, HW2 is already having a season pass a year before it even launches! I could only imagine 343 making stuff paid dlc around 50$. It’s not worth it if you ask me, and much of it is a rip-off.
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> > While I appreciate the free content, it is indeed playing catch up.
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> > That said, I have to go against the tide here and say that I would much rather prefer a full game on launch with paid DLC. I don’t know why gamers are so against paying 10-20 bucks for more content (provided the original game wasn’t withholding content).
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> > I know many developers and publishers have shady DLC practices. I get that. But I’d rather pay a few extra bucks for additional Halo content than waiting 8 months for the game to meet the standard that was set a decade ago.
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> > Halo fans are so used to the only paid DLC being map packs. But what if Halo provided legitimate campaign expansions? A beast mode type game where you can finally play as Covenant or Promethean? What about a full blown survival mode against the Flood that is dissimilar from Firefight and offers more depth?
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> > There is so much that can be done with DLC and with Halo in general. It’s a massive universe with so much lore behind it, there are only a few other Sci fi universes out there with more lore.
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> > We need to think outside the box and I hope 343 does the same. I would love to be genuinely surprised when they announce new content. And I would GLADLY pay for this kind of stuff, plus much more if they made it worth the price tag.
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> 10-20 bucks? Where you pulling that from? I see season passes for 40-50 and even higher sometimes. Most triple A dlc isn’t 10-20 bucks. You ask why many oppose paid dlc? Well one is cuz they’re not cheap as $20. Second is most just aren’t worth it and third is when they do another set of add-one they make you pay even more. I paid 150$ on destiny, I know the battle field games are over $100 if you want all content, HW2 is already having a season pass a year before it even launches! I could only imagine 343 making stuff paid dlc around 50$. It’s not worth it if you ask me, and much of it is a rip-off.
A season pass offers ALL of the DLC though. I acknowledged that many companies have shady practices when it comes to DLC. But honestly I’d much rather have that than an incomplete product.
That value is also highly subjective. All I’m saying is that if they revert to the paid DLC model, make it worth the price tag. I offered many examples of ways they could do that without splitting the community like map packs tend to do.
I preferred the old system: launch with all game modes (or at least several, and add game modes for free as they get invented), and then charge for map packs that include 3 maps per pack. I had no qualms with that system. Even without map packs, game-mode variety in 3 and Reach, and even 4, was enough to keep my interest.
Bigger budget
Softer lightmap
Softer physics
Forgeable water pieces, not instant kill ones just setup as primitive or detailed
Scalable Objects
Better Game type Customization
Race game type
Koth game type
Dominion game type
Bigger budget
Softer lightmap
Softer physics
Warzone items and pieces
Warzone forgeable
Trait Zones
More scripts, including on respawn points.
5000 script budget
2524 object budget
200% soft physic budget
200% soft lightmap budget
200% soft collision budget
200% soft fx budget.
Big canvas maps.
I want to build a warzone map.
But none of this will happen nor cease to exist and every halo game created is making this more and more blatantly obvious.
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> > > While I appreciate the free content, it is indeed playing catch up.
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> > > That said, I have to go against the tide here and say that I would much rather prefer a full game on launch with paid DLC. I don’t know why gamers are so against paying 10-20 bucks for more content (provided the original game wasn’t withholding content).
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> > > I know many developers and publishers have shady DLC practices. I get that. But I’d rather pay a few extra bucks for additional Halo content than waiting 8 months for the game to meet the standard that was set a decade ago.
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> > > Halo fans are so used to the only paid DLC being map packs. But what if Halo provided legitimate campaign expansions? A beast mode type game where you can finally play as Covenant or Promethean? What about a full blown survival mode against the Flood that is dissimilar from Firefight and offers more depth?
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> > > There is so much that can be done with DLC and with Halo in general. It’s a massive universe with so much lore behind it, there are only a few other Sci fi universes out there with more lore.
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> > > We need to think outside the box and I hope 343 does the same. I would love to be genuinely surprised when they announce new content. And I would GLADLY pay for this kind of stuff, plus much more if they made it worth the price tag.
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> > 10-20 bucks? Where you pulling that from? I see season passes for 40-50 and even higher sometimes. Most triple A dlc isn’t 10-20 bucks. You ask why many oppose paid dlc? Well one is cuz they’re not cheap as $20. Second is most just aren’t worth it and third is when they do another set of add-one they make you pay even more. I paid 150$ on destiny, I know the battle field games are over $100 if you want all content, HW2 is already having a season pass a year before it even launches! I could only imagine 343 making stuff paid dlc around 50$. It’s not worth it if you ask me, and much of it is a rip-off.
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> A season pass offers ALL of the DLC though. I acknowledged that many companies have shady practices when it comes to DLC. But honestly I’d much rather have that than an incomplete product.
My issue if halo does paid dlc or season passes is it has to be new. I don’t accept game modes (specifically ones thatve been done already)or maps worth money, I consider story add-ons, new features to a game (example being if h5 were to add a trade system for req cards), completely new gamemode (warzone for example had it been dlc bought with a dozen maps ready for it rather than in game by launch). My issue with dlc is they’re overpriced. If you have a 50 dollar season pass then it needs to be equivalent to a whole entire game, if it’s $20 then it needs to be a fourth, but that’s just my view. VERY FEW games do dlc correctly IMO. Bioware games are the only group I buy extra from because I get countless hours out of it. If halo does map packs I may see said maps a few times a month but that’s it. I’d much rather have a complete product as well, but I’m not going to overspend for it.