343i, I Shall Take My Refund Now

Games Other Halo
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I would like to be refunded for all of Halo: Reach’s map packs because it appears I am unable to play them in regular matchmaking. I know when I downloaded each map pack, a “no refunds” statement appeared with each one. However, the description of each map pack had language such as:

“Six classic competitive multiplayer maps…with the gameplay intensity of Halo: Reach”

“Noble Map Pack injects three new explosive environments into the multiplayer battlefield”

“These awesome new environments comprise of 2 multiplayer maps”

All of which leads to me being able to play these maps on a regular basis in multiplayer matchmaking. Since I am no longer able to play these maps as the descriptions suggest, I believe a refund is in order.

I know all the maps are in normal matchmaking and will show up in the voting process if everyone in the lobby has the map pack. It may just be my luck or there are still a substantial amount of players that do not have the map packs because I have not been able to play any DLC in months while searching in the normal playlists. And don’t suggest to play with a bunch of friends that all have the maps because that doesn’t fit my gaming style or personality.

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You will NOT be refunded your money back, sorry. Have a good day.

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> You will NOT be refunded your money back, sorry. Have a good day.

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Multiplayer isn’t matchmaking, it is also Custom Games & Forge.

You were promised six playable multiplayer maps with Anniversary, they all are.
You were promised three playable multiplayer maps with Noble, they all are.
You were promised two playable multiplayer maps with Defiant, they all are.

So, no, you won’t be getting a refund, like you said yourself, you agreed upon purchase that there will be no refunds, it also never said ‘always going to be playable at request in Matchmaking and have an exclusive playlist to play all DLC’.

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> Multiplayer isn’t matchmaking, it is also Custom Games & Forge.
>
> You were promised six playable multiplayer maps with Anniversary, they all are.
> You were promised three playable multiplayer maps with Noble, they all are.
> You were promised two playable multiplayer maps with Defiant, they all are.
>
> So, no, you won’t be getting a refund, like you said yourself, you agreed upon purchase that there will be no refunds, it also never said ‘always going to be playable at request in Matchmaking and have an exclusive playlist to play all DLC’.

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No soup for you.

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When they say no refunds they really mean no refunds.

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Sadly, I doubt anyone will be getting a refund even if we all band together and form a class action lawsuit. They have us by the fine print.

But I’ll tell you what 343i, if you are listening- you might want to think about an all DLC playlist if you ever want to sell anymore DLC, becuase there a quite a few people like myself and the OP out there who are less than satisfied with our purchase.

I just don’t get it, what is so friggen hard about giving your customers a playlist?

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> Sadly, I doubt anyone will be getting a refund even if we all band together and form a class action lawsuit. They have us by the fine print.
>
> But I’ll tell you what 343i, if you are listening- you might want to think about an all DLC playlist if you ever want to sell anymore DLC, becuase there a quite a few people like myself and the OP out there who are less than satisfied with our purchase.
>
> I just don’t get it, what is so friggen hard about giving your customers a playlist?

If customers actually showed interest in the last two DLC playlists, they might have stuck around.

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Its not happening. You and a previous 100 people have said the samething.

I also bought the maps and I look at like this. I have bought previous DLC for many games. Once the game has been out for awhile or a new tittle comes out I move on and DLC is set away as well. I look at Reaches DLC the same way as I did with Halo 3 and Halo 2. Once Halo 4 comes out Ill move on.

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When your read “No refund” you kind of have to realise that it means “No refund”. Soz dude, I agree it’s misleading as -Yoink-, but look on the brightside…At least you don’t have to worry about spending those $20 now =)

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> Sadly, I doubt anyone will be getting a refund even if we all band together and form a class action lawsuit. They have us by the fine print.
>
> But I’ll tell you what 343i, if you are listening- you might want to think about an all DLC playlist if you ever want to sell anymore DLC, becuase there a quite a few people like myself and the OP out there who are less than satisfied with our purchase.

Whenever people threaten to avoid buying Halo 4 DLC based on the problems that occur with Reach DLC, it reminds me of what I call the “telephone dilemma”.

Imagine that you live back in a time when telephones have just been invented. Not many people have telephones. This means that you can’t talk to many people with a telephone, which in turn means that there isn’t much benefit to using a telephone.

Even worse, though, is that at first, there’s only one model of telephone. It’s fairly clunky, tricky to install, and doesn’t perform well. Though quite a few people start buying it, trusting that it’s a good idea, the first telephone doesn’t get off the ground. Those who bought it therefore become dissatisfied with how little use they get out of it.

A little while later, a new model of telephone is announced. This second model of telephone fixes all of the problems that the first telephone had, which means there’s a great chance that it’ll be widely purchased. If it gets installed in enough households, its users will see enormous benefits.

…Unless, of course, everyone immediately assumes that it will fail for the same reasons that the first telephone did, despite those reasons having been fixed. If that happens, then people won’t buy the second telephone, which will make it useless, which will cause it to fail, because you won’t be able to talk to anyone with it. And then all those people will gloat and say, “I told you this new telephone wouldn’t get off the ground,” even though it’s their fault that it didn’t get off the ground, because the only thing that killed the second telephone off was their paranoia.

…

Where the first model of telephone is Reach DLC, which was crippled because it was for Reach, and the second model of telephone is Halo 4 DLC, which avoids the problems of Reach DLC by not being for Reach. :\

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Sorry Cobb but your analogy is a fail. I paid for something and I can no longer get any use out of it FOR NO GOOD REASON. I will not be taken for a fool by that particular company again. It’s called capitalism, we vote with out dollars. I’m not here to beg for a refund, I’m offering feedback on their product.

But it’s a free country and you are welcome to keep on drinking the fanboy koolaid if you so choose.

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> > Sadly, I doubt anyone will be getting a refund even if we all band together and form a class action lawsuit. They have us by the fine print.
> >
> > But I’ll tell you what 343i, if you are listening- you might want to think about an all DLC playlist if you ever want to sell anymore DLC, becuase there a quite a few people like myself and the OP out there who are less than satisfied with our purchase.
>
> Whenever people threaten to avoid buying Halo 4 DLC based on the problems that occur with Reach DLC, it reminds me of what I call the “telephone dilemma”.
>
> Imagine that you live back in a time when telephones have just been invented. Not many people have telephones. This means that you can’t talk to many people with a telephone, which in turn means that there isn’t much benefit to using a telephone.
>
> Even worse, though, is that at first, there’s only one model of telephone. It’s fairly clunky, tricky to install, and doesn’t perform well. Though quite a few people start buying it, trusting that it’s a good idea, the first telephone doesn’t get off the ground. Those who bought it therefore become dissatisfied with how little use they get out of it.
>
> A little while later, a new model of telephone is announced. This second model of telephone fixes all of the problems that the first telephone had, which means there’s a great chance that it’ll be widely purchased. If it gets installed in enough households, its users will see enormous benefits.
>
> …Unless, of course, everyone immediately assumes that it will fail for the same reasons that the first telephone did, despite those reasons having been fixed. If that happens, then people won’t buy the second telephone, which will make it useless, which will cause it to fail, because you won’t be able to talk to anyone with it. And then all those people will gloat and say, “I told you this new telephone wouldn’t get off the ground,” even though it’s their fault that it didn’t get off the ground, because the only thing that killed the second telephone off was their paranoia.
>
> …
>
> Where the first model of telephone is Reach DLC, which was crippled because it was for Reach, and the second model of telephone is Halo 4 DLC, which avoids the problems of Reach DLC by not being for Reach. :\

Yeah, but no one likes AT&T because of AT&T.

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> > Sadly, I doubt anyone will be getting a refund even if we all band together and form a class action lawsuit. They have us by the fine print.
> >
> > But I’ll tell you what 343i, if you are listening- you might want to think about an all DLC playlist if you ever want to sell anymore DLC, becuase there a quite a few people like myself and the OP out there who are less than satisfied with our purchase.
>
> Whenever people threaten to avoid buying Halo 4 DLC based on the problems that occur with Reach DLC, it reminds me of what I call the “telephone dilemma”.
>
> Imagine that you live back in a time when telephones have just been invented. Not many people have telephones. This means that you can’t talk to many people with a telephone, which in turn means that there isn’t much benefit to using a telephone.
>
> Even worse, though, is that at first, there’s only one model of telephone. It’s fairly clunky, tricky to install, and doesn’t perform well. Though quite a few people start buying it, trusting that it’s a good idea, the first telephone doesn’t get off the ground. Those who bought it therefore become dissatisfied with how little use they get out of it.
>
> A little while later, a new model of telephone is announced. This second model of telephone fixes all of the problems that the first telephone had, which means there’s a great chance that it’ll be widely purchased. If it gets installed in enough households, its users will see enormous benefits.
>
> …Unless, of course, everyone immediately assumes that it will fail for the same reasons that the first telephone did, despite those reasons having been fixed. If that happens, then people won’t buy the second telephone, which will make it useless, which will cause it to fail, because you won’t be able to talk to anyone with it. And then all those people will gloat and say, “I told you this new telephone wouldn’t get off the ground,” even though it’s their fault that it didn’t get off the ground, because the only thing that killed the second telephone off was their paranoia.
>
> …
>
> Where the first model of telephone is Reach DLC, which was crippled because it was for Reach, and the second model of telephone is Halo 4 DLC, which avoids the problems of Reach DLC by not being for Reach. :\

Cobb you are truly a babbling nitwit. Nowhere at all in your irrelevant telephone reference did you even make te least bit of sense in connection with the dlc situation. You always babble and then babble a little more, talk in a circle, hope to confuse a few people and leave them wondering wtf just happened. One thing is for sure, idk if it’s possible for you to get your head any further up 343’s -Yoink- but you are bound and determined to try 343 lackey.

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> > Multiplayer isn’t matchmaking, it is also Custom Games & Forge.
> >
> > You were promised six playable multiplayer maps with Anniversary, they all are.
> > You were promised three playable multiplayer maps with Noble, they all are.
> > You were promised two playable multiplayer maps with Defiant, they all are.
> >
> > So, no, you won’t be getting a refund, like you said yourself, you agreed upon purchase that there will be no refunds, it also never said ‘always going to be playable at request in Matchmaking and have an exclusive playlist to play all DLC’.

I agree but i dont play custom games and you have to admit it was an absolutely terrible idea to totally take away the dlc playlists. in halo 3 you had to pay for everything to have any fun at all and now in halo reach when you do shell out the cash you can’t have any fun at all.

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> > > Multiplayer isn’t matchmaking, it is also Custom Games & Forge.
> > >
> > > You were promised six playable multiplayer maps with Anniversary, they all are.
> > > You were promised three playable multiplayer maps with Noble, they all are.
> > > You were promised two playable multiplayer maps with Defiant, they all are.
> > >
> > > So, no, you won’t be getting a refund, like you said yourself, you agreed upon purchase that there will be no refunds, it also never said ‘always going to be playable at request in Matchmaking and have an exclusive playlist to play all DLC’.
>
> I agree but i dont play custom games and you have to admit it was an absolutely terrible idea to totally take away the dlc playlists. in halo 3 you had to pay for everything to have any fun at all and now in halo reach when you do shell out the cash you can’t have any fun at all.

By the time a lot of the playlists were DLC required, the Halo 3 Mythic disc was already being used by a majority of Halo 3 players, so it was understandable, but no such thing has happened with Reach and likely never will.

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> > Sadly, I doubt anyone will be getting a refund even if we all band together and form a class action lawsuit. They have us by the fine print.
> >
> > But I’ll tell you what 343i, if you are listening- you might want to think about an all DLC playlist if you ever want to sell anymore DLC, becuase there a quite a few people like myself and the OP out there who are less than satisfied with our purchase.
> >
> > I just don’t get it, what is so friggen hard about giving your customers a playlist?
>
> If customers actually showed interest in the last two DLC playlists, they might have stuck around.

i tried to lay them but sadly enough i never had any friends that could play. it’s expensive. and plus there are playlists in h3 that i haven’t seen above maybe 40 in a year. but still 25000 people play most days and everything is still running smoothly. thousands of people still play reach everyday and there are bound to be playlists that not many people play. i still don’t see the reason to take those away. especially with action sack. i loved halo ball. and i really with it was added to grifball. but now i can’t play it at all. and i would have played it a ton more if i had more friends online more often. difference is i’m okay with action sack being gone. because i didn’t pay for it. for someone like me 20 bucks is a pretty big chunk of change to just spend on whatever. and also i can see why nobody played the last one. i hated “squad” gametypes. i can get 3 or 4 people together if i really try but not 5 and that random is either just terrible or betrays the whole time. happened everytime…

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> > > > Multiplayer isn’t matchmaking, it is also Custom Games & Forge.
> > > >
> > > > You were promised six playable multiplayer maps with Anniversary, they all are.
> > > > You were promised three playable multiplayer maps with Noble, they all are.
> > > > You were promised two playable multiplayer maps with Defiant, they all are.
> > > >
> > > > So, no, you won’t be getting a refund, like you said yourself, you agreed upon purchase that there will be no refunds, it also never said ‘always going to be playable at request in Matchmaking and have an exclusive playlist to play all DLC’.
> >
> > I agree but i dont play custom games and you have to admit it was an absolutely terrible idea to totally take away the dlc playlists. in halo 3 you had to pay for everything to have any fun at all and now in halo reach when you do shell out the cash you can’t have any fun at all.
>
> By the time a lot of the playlists were DLC required, the Halo 3 Mythic disc was already being used by a majority of Halo 3 players, so it was understandable, but no such thing has happened with Reach and likely never will.

true but i never had that luxury in h3 since i would have had to buy a whole new game just to get it. and thank you for mentioning that because there were a lot more add ons for halo 3 so why not put a reach multiplayer disc into halo anniversary? honestly i was hoping they would since i was going to buy a whole new game gain.

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> > > Sadly, I doubt anyone will be getting a refund even if we all band together and form a class action lawsuit. They have us by the fine print.
> > >
> > > But I’ll tell you what 343i, if you are listening- you might want to think about an all DLC playlist if you ever want to sell anymore DLC, becuase there a quite a few people like myself and the OP out there who are less than satisfied with our purchase.
> > >
> > > I just don’t get it, what is so friggen hard about giving your customers a playlist?
> >
> > If customers actually showed interest in the last two DLC playlists, they might have stuck around.
>
> i tried to lay them but sadly enough i never had any friends that could play. it’s expensive. and plus there are playlists in h3 that i haven’t seen above maybe 40 in a year. but still 25000 people play most days and everything is still running smoothly. thousands of people still play reach everyday and there are bound to be playlists that not many people play. i still don’t see the reason to take those away. especially with action sack. i loved halo ball. and i really with it was added to grifball. but now i can’t play it at all. and i would have played it a ton more if i had more friends online more often. difference is i’m okay with action sack being gone. because i didn’t pay for it. for someone like me 20 bucks is a pretty big chunk of change to just spend on whatever. and also i can see why nobody played the last one. i hated “squad” gametypes. i can get 3 or 4 people together if i really try but not 5 and that random is either just terrible or betrays the whole time. happened everytime…

Halo 3 had Halo 3 Mythic which featured ALL maps + DLC on one disc, while Halo: Reach has nothing like that and probably never will.

> > > > > Multiplayer isn’t matchmaking, it is also Custom Games & Forge.
> > > > >
> > > > > You were promised six playable multiplayer maps with Anniversary, they all are.
> > > > > You were promised three playable multiplayer maps with Noble, they all are.
> > > > > You were promised two playable multiplayer maps with Defiant, they all are.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, no, you won’t be getting a refund, like you said yourself, you agreed upon purchase that there will be no refunds, it also never said ‘always going to be playable at request in Matchmaking and have an exclusive playlist to play all DLC’.
> > >
> > > I agree but i dont play custom games and you have to admit it was an absolutely terrible idea to totally take away the dlc playlists. in halo 3 you had to pay for everything to have any fun at all and now in halo reach when you do shell out the cash you can’t have any fun at all.
> >
> > By the time a lot of the playlists were DLC required, the Halo 3 Mythic disc was already being used by a majority of Halo 3 players, so it was understandable, but no such thing has happened with Reach and likely never will.
>
> true but i never had that luxury in h3 since i would have had to buy a whole new game just to get it. and thank you for mentioning that because there were a lot more add ons for halo 3 so why not put a reach multiplayer disc into halo anniversary? honestly i was hoping they would since i was going to buy a whole new game gain.

Except the multiplayer for Halo Anniversary was always intended to be Classic and stay on the classic maps, unlike Halo 3 Mythic which was just a bonus to buying Halo 3: ODST.