If I recall correctly, this was indirectly the system we asked for since Halo 5 if a such schema would exist.
I can at least say that I was guilty with suggest a similar system to what is seen in Halo Infinite comparison to the system seen in Halo 5. Due to this, I have also been a bit careful with criticizing the system due to fact that my own words could be used against me ad that the system isn’t as bad as the system seen in Halo 5 and Halo Wars 2.
I don’t believe 343i is doing as you say, they have made a conscious effort in Infinite to merge the eras of Halo and provide a solid core game all Halo fans enjoy (and hopefully a good campaign too, but I will reserve judgement on that regard for now and merely hope.) and that demonstrates an understanding and care of Halo in my opinion.
That being said, someone, probably Microsoft or some other upper management, is demanding and allowing this awful monetization scheme to undermine the hard work of tons of people at 343i and I will not put a dime into the game personally until something fundamental is done about this horrendous and manipulative monetization model.
I’m not against paying for cosmetics. I would gladly shell out money to get cool looking gear.
But monetization in this current state?! 'm NEVER EVER spending a -Yoink!- cent. It’s -Yoink!- pathetic.
Exactly the feeling I have when playing. I’m like…why am I bothering? It’s not like I’m going to earn anything substantial or get rewarded or recognized for wrecking the other team. I feel like I’m the only one playing to win most of the time. Defend it all you want but the VAST majority of us hate this with a passion. I played a few more matches earlier today but I can’t do it anymore. I usually don’t care this much about games but doing this to Halo is really greasy. For shame. Done with it for now. Will reinstall when and if it’s remedied. And that’s a big IF. I saw plenty of shiny store bought Spartans today:/
Welcome to activision version 3.43
I understand why OP thinks this way, but at the end of the day, they made an incredible Halo game and you haven’t given them time to listen to feedback and make changes. Relax, child. Play the game, be happy it exists, give feedback here often.
It’s the beta, that’s the time to voice our concern, and calling someone a child isn’t the way to go
they named their company after a character in Halo that betrays master chief.
“Save his head, dispose of the rest.” / “But this ring is mine…!” ~ 343 Guilty Spark, monitor of Installation 04.
And how fitting given their past actions and acts of betrayal…
But then again TheFieryJoker said it best at the end of his Top 10 Activision Fails video on YT.
“Just a supreme lack of caring, becasue money!” ~ Josh Scorcher.
Welcome to modern video games where money is literally everything and theres nothing in hell we can do about it except bend-over… 
Wear the gray default armor until they meet all of the problems? I’ll do it. Problems as it stands now in my opinion. Let me know if I missed any.
Quick resume does not work like it should. Battle Pass items are a joke.
Event Pass has to be done over few weeks.
Bloom…
You cannot customize your spartan while waiting in the lobby.
Server tick rate and network Code is awful
If they gave people access to some decent customization options by default and didn’t take away colors, I think people would be mostly okay with what we have. Part of the problem is that why default you get no customization other than a few basic armor coatings. This wasn’t the case with any past Halo game since Halo 3, and even Halo 2 had more color/insignia options. There is more to how they monetize cosmetics.
They need to take out the challenge swap out of the progression system and replace it with something else…the challenge swap should be givin out once each day for free or for playing your first match of the day and they already have it in the shop to buy no reason to have it in the progression system at all
You broke the code lol
Good call. I work, I had money I was willing to spend, I bought a bunch of the HCS coatings on day 1 so I could have some cool skins to choose from. Except they weren’t coatings/skins at all, they were locked kits. I contacted 343i support to see if they could remove the items from my inventory and refund the credits, because I WANTED to spend the money on the game. They basically told me to pound sand and said I could only ask steam for a refund. I’m not spending a dime more until they fix their broken system, and I advise others to do the same. By paying for these items, expensive to you or not, you are incentivizing 343i to continue to use this predatory model, reducing the likelihood of ever getting a better system for the players. I wish I read into it more, I was just blinded by the hype.
First, just wanted to say Halo 4 had premium armor and Halo 5 technically did too. Also, you did have to pay for entry. Those games launched for $60 US dollars, this is free to play, so already it’s a little disanalogous.
I would like you to substantiate this. Decisions like this are usually made by CEOs and publishers, not development teams.
You don’t speak for everyone.
I’ve been a fan for over fourteen years and I don’t think you’d like my perspective much.
At the end of the day, we live under a capitalist system. Whatever they, Microsoft ie; the copyright holders say is free, is free and vice versa. That’s just simply not our call and if it makes money then it makes money. They are under no obligation to make anything free.
Good point! I think this thread would be much more constructive if you spoke to that rather than demonizing the developers at 343.
They’ve been pretty transparent. I found an article dating as far back as January of LAST YEAR that mentions armor coatings. Before then those aspects were still in development and likely in iteration. I don’t think it’s wise to discuss an aspect of a game that’s still being iterated upon.
All in all, there are some legitimate criticisms here, but this is so flamboyant and hyperbolic that I simply can’t take you seriously. 343 isn’t going to listen if you just come off like some raging cry baby. You have to give them something to work with. Give some constructive feedback on how you think these systems can be improved.
Coatings were “leaked” with promotional material and any article around that time was essentially forced out of them.
The article where they explain coatings barely mention them in six paragraphs if I recall correctly, just a few passing segments, everything else was PR talk.
Since then, armor coats haven’t gotten any limelight.
In the long video pre-dating the flight, the E3 video, during the customisation part, the spend, what was it, 8 seconds, in coats. What exactly was being iterated upon?
Reminder, that January they were planning on releasing the game later that year. Come E3 and plans changed.
Given we knew it was goong F2P, there was extremely little information on what was going to be monetised.
Not only this, when armor coats were “leaked”, part of the community predicted pretty much this exact scenario, and being skeptical of how many coats would be available at launch. But that was a community discourse thing, not i343, which has been silent on the matter.
No, i343 isn’t transparent. When they say something you’ve got to wait for the thing they wrote about be infront of you, and then read what they’ve said between the lines.
Let’s take this battlepass.
Yeah, the first battlepass is free. But it’s limited for free users, and there’s a premium tier. The expectations were an entirely free and unlocked battlepass, as a taster, because they do get money from the campaign.
Now, what does that mean for future battlepasses?
Given they never expire it’s entirely possible that to get any access to future battlepasses, you need to pay for them. Now, are they going to do away with the premium tier?
We’re gonna get a 10$ battlepass, with a 10$ premium tier?
Something living rent free in my mind is i343’s first DLC for Halo 4, and the astonishing PR disaster that was.
They didn’t just put coating promotional materials out against Microsoft’s wishes. It wasn’t leaked. These companies set up marketing timelines and abide by contracts. It was a functional part of Halo Infinite’s marketing campaign, literally not a leak.
It wasn’t “Forced,” out of them. They had a marketing schedule and they kept to it despite the fact the game would later be delayed.
There was an entire news post on Waypoint that broke down how coatings worked. I don’t know what more you really need for that to be more transparent.
The game went gold last week. Literally anything on the development side could have been in iteration until then, including things which are already available in game now.
How far in advance do you need for something to be considered transparent? This is such a weird precedent to set. You tell me how far in advance you need for something to be communicated to you for it to be satisfying. Is it more than a year? Is it three years?
I urge you to go back and read all the Inside Infinite posts leading up to the current beta. I’m just not sure what you want. Like, should they have put out the source code before launch just to make sure everything would be A-okay with the community?
Sounds to me like a lot of people made an assumption about something no one ever said and got mad when their baseless assumption wasn’t proven correct. Totally divorced from reality. When I pay for a campaign, I just expect a campaign. I don’t get the campaign and then go, “Hey, I thought you’d throw in a free bike and a beer cozy!”
Obviously not. It’s there to make money.
If the first battle pass, or industry standard, is any indication the next battle pass will work like the current one does.
Show me the FY earnings and the SL of the DR before you post this uneducated crap. Do you think a car company has to sell ad ons for success. This straight up -Yoink!- in the most royal way, we do not have gaming companies focusing on the consumer anymore. They focus on the “being left out” vibe now. “this is Halo note WF” mate Warframe has far more than this bull -Yoink!- has to offer. If you cant see that then you truly are bananas.
This “uneducated crap” has been a talking point for years, the AAA gaming model is not sustainable at a $60 price tag, read something other than “entitled child quarterly”. You’re also not exactly impressing anyone by throwing out some finance jargon only to followup with a comparison of the auto industry to what’s happening on gaming. Not only are transportation and entertainment starkly different commodities, the auto industry has constantly changed their prices as dictated by costs and inventory for decades so whatever point you were attempting to make here doesn’t exist. Of course they don’t need to get you with add ons, they simply bump the sticker a few grand and the price is the price. People need cars, they don’t need games.
Concerning Warframe. I played Warframe for years, of all the things that game has, you want to know what it doesn’t have? A massive player base. Do you know why? Accessibility and paywalling. You literally cannot progress without use of WF premium currency, and while there are ways to earn it via the in-game market, that “economy” exists because a % of players do in fact spend money (and quite a bit of) it on microtransactions. Approaching WF without a sherpa or extensive use of guides have turned people away from what is one of the best sci-fi action games available, this has been a point of criticism of the game for years. All that being said, at no point did I say WF had less on tap than Infinite, I simply said that Halo isn’t WF, and that fashion isn’t the endgame (as it misy certainly is in the WF community).