343i: Halo 4 v Halo 3

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Dear 343i,

Could you please give due consideration to the majority of players who have, since launch day up until this very post, kept Infinity Slayer and BTIS at number one and two on the play lists rankings, by doing something very special for the small number of Halo 3 players that play Team Throwdown etc?

Could you please determine whether or not it is financially viable to re-skin Halo 3 as you did with Halo CE Anniversary, and keep the Halo 3 severs up for a few years yet and, also reset everyones ranks on Halo 3 MM to zero? I know a lot of us Infinity fans will be happy to see that happen! Then,you, 343i, can continue to make the new version of Halo, the modern gaming era Halo,which is popular in terms of the sixteen play lists rankings. You are on the right track!

However, it would also be good for the next Halo if you, on launch day,provide play lists and game modes to suite your new vision, as you have done with Halo 4 but,also play lists and game modes, for the smaller Halo 3 crowd that still exists. That way, they will not feel left out/behind, opining once again for a lost game; the Halo 5 forums could do without all the “Halo 3 blah blah blah”, post in and post out.

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> Dear 343i,
>
> Could you please give due consideration to the majority of players who have, since launch day up until this very post, kept Infinity Slayer and BTIS at number one and two on the play lists rankings, by doing something very special for the small number of <mark>Halo 3 players that play Team Throwdown</mark> etc?
>
> Could you please determine whether or not it is financially viable to re-skin Halo 3 as you did with Halo CE Anniversary, and keep the Halo 3 severs up for a few years yet and, also reset everyones ranks on Halo 3 MM to zero? I know a lot of us Infinity fans will be happy to see that happen! Then,you, 343i, can continue to make the new version of Halo, the modern gaming era Halo,which is popular in terms of the sixteen play lists rankings. You are on the right track!
>
> However, it would also be good for the next Halo if you, on launch day,provide play lists and game modes to suite your new vision, as you have done with Halo 4 but,also play lists and game modes, for the smaller Halo 3 crowd that still exists. That way, they will not feel left out/behind, opining once again for a lost game; the Halo 5 forums could do without all the “Halo 3 blah blah blah”, post in and post out.

Excuse me, but Halo 3 players are

wait for it

Playing Halo 3.

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I don’t want a reskinned Halo 3, I want a new Halo game with new things but plays like Halo 3.

There is no way possible that reskinning the game would make anyone happy, if I want to play Halo 3 I can do that, but I’m sure as hell not paying for it twice.

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> I don’t want a reskinned Halo 3, I want a new Halo game with new things but plays like Halo 3.
>
> There is no way possible that reskinning the game would make anyone happy, if I want to play Halo 3 I can do that, but I’m sure as hell not paying for it twice.

Couldn’t have said it any better myself

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> Dear 343i,
>
> Could you please give due consideration to the majority of players who have, since launch day up until this very post, kept Infinity Slayer and BTIS at number one and two on the play lists rankings, <mark>by doing something very special for the small number of Halo 3 players that play Team Throwdown etc?</mark>
>
> Could you please determine whether or not it is financially viable to re-skin Halo 3 as you did with Halo CE Anniversary, and keep the Halo 3 severs up for a few years yet and, also reset everyones ranks on Halo 3 MM to zero? I know a lot of us Infinity fans will be happy to see that happen! Then,you, 343i, can continue to make the new version of Halo, the modern gaming era Halo,which is popular in terms of the sixteen play lists rankings. You are on the right track!
>
> However, it would also be good for the next Halo if you, on launch day,provide play lists and game modes to suite your new vision, as you have done with Halo 4 but,also play lists and game modes, for the smaller Halo 3 <mark>crowd that still exists.</mark> That way, they will not feel left out/behind, opining once again for a lost game; the Halo 5 forums could do without all the “Halo 3 blah blah blah”, post in and post out.

That still exists? How do you know that the Halo 4 fan base, is indeed bigger than the Halo 1-3 fan base?

Stop making assumptions and try to prove it with facts.

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I think Halo 3 was 15 times better than halo 4 as far as multiplayer goes. I hope to god Halo 5 runs on an updated version of Halo 3’s engine. I’m open for new ideas in the Halo universe as long as in doesn’t change the core gameplay too much. Things like armor abilities, ordnance, and perks make the game play like something totally different from Halo. At this point Halo should be ashamed to call itself an arena shooter, and Halo Reach and Halo 4 look like genaric games meant to rip off Halo’s multiplayer.

I love the single player, and the story line in the new Halo games, but when I try to jump into multiplayer I find myself getting bored and longing to play Halo 2 or 3. I think I speak for the majority of classic Halo fans when I say I wan’t my game back to the way it once was.

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> I think Halo 3 was 15 times better than halo 4 as far as multiplayer goes. I hope to god Halo 5 runs on an updated version of Halo 3’s engine. I’m open for new ideas in the Halo universe as long as in doesn’t change the core gameplay too much. Things like armor abilities, ordnance, and perks make the game play like something totally different from Halo. At this point Halo should be ashamed to call itself an arena shooter, and Halo Reach and Halo 4 look like genaric games meant to rip off Halo’s multiplayer.
>
> I love the single player, and the story line in the new Halo games, but when I try to jump into multiplayer I find myself getting bored and longing to play Halo 2 or 3. I think I speak for the majority of classic Halo fans when I say I wan’t my game back to the way it once was.

Halo 4 runs on an updated version of reach, which runs on an updates version of 3, which runs on an updated version of 2, which runs on an updated version of CE.

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> I think Halo 3 was 15 times better than halo 4 as far as multiplayer goes. I hope to god Halo 5 runs on an updated version of Halo 3’s engine. I’m open for new ideas in the Halo universe as long as in doesn’t change the core gameplay too much. Things like armor abilities, ordnance, and perks make the game play like something totally different from Halo. At this point Halo should be ashamed to call itself an arena shooter, and Halo Reach and Halo 4 look like genaric games meant to rip off Halo’s multiplayer.
>
> I love the single player, and the story line in the new Halo games, but when I try to jump into multiplayer I find myself getting bored and longing to play Halo 2 or 3. I think I speak for the majority of classic Halo fans when I say I wan’t my game back to the way it once was.

Dude don’t hate on Reach. Even in Reach players started on relatively equal terms, everyone had access to the same loadouts. I liked the variety it offered compared to Halo 3, but Halo 3 still had the best core competitive gameplay. It was between competitive arena Halo and loadout games, but it still retained many arena features and the more skilled team would win.

Halo 4 is now just a generic custom loadout shooter with few things that separate it from other popular games. Halo Reach wasn’t, few games were like it, SW Battlefront is similar to it in some regards. Halo 3 was also distinct as it was a pure arena shooter with completely fair start. Ideally the next Halo game would offer a combination of Reach and Halo 3 playlist options.

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> > Dear 343i,
> >
> > Could you please give due consideration to the majority of players who have, since launch day up until this very post, kept Infinity Slayer and BTIS at number one and two on the play lists rankings, by doing something very special for the small number of <mark>Halo 3 players that play Team Throwdown</mark> etc?
> >
> > Could you please determine whether or not it is financially viable to re-skin Halo 3 as you did with Halo CE Anniversary, and keep the Halo 3 severs up for a few years yet and, also reset everyones ranks on Halo 3 MM to zero? I know a lot of us Infinity fans will be happy to see that happen! Then,you, 343i, can continue to make the new version of Halo, the modern gaming era Halo,which is popular in terms of the sixteen play lists rankings. You are on the right track!
> >
> > However, it would also be good for the next Halo if you, on launch day,provide play lists and game modes to suite your new vision, as you have done with Halo 4 but,also play lists and game modes, for the smaller Halo 3 crowd that still exists. That way, they will not feel left out/behind, opining once again for a lost game; the Halo 5 forums could do without all the “Halo 3 blah blah blah”, post in and post out.
>
> Excuse me, but Halo 3 players are
>
> wait for it
>
> Playing Halo 3.

Yeah, I know, I was over their way last week!

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> > Dear 343i,
> >
> > Could you please give due consideration to the majority of players who have, since launch day up until this very post, kept Infinity Slayer and BTIS at number one and two on the play lists rankings, <mark>by doing something very special for the small number of Halo 3 players that play Team Throwdown etc?</mark>
> >
> > Could you please determine whether or not it is financially viable to re-skin Halo 3 as you did with Halo CE Anniversary, and keep the Halo 3 severs up for a few years yet and, also reset everyones ranks on Halo 3 MM to zero? I know a lot of us Infinity fans will be happy to see that happen! Then,you, 343i, can continue to make the new version of Halo, the modern gaming era Halo,which is popular in terms of the sixteen play lists rankings. You are on the right track!
> >
> > However, it would also be good for the next Halo if you, on launch day,provide play lists and game modes to suite your new vision, as you have done with Halo 4 but,also play lists and game modes, for the smaller Halo 3 <mark>crowd that still exists.</mark> That way, they will not feel left out/behind, opining once again for a lost game; the Halo 5 forums could do without all the “Halo 3 blah blah blah”, post in and post out.
>
> That still exists? How do you know that the Halo 4 fan base, is indeed bigger than the Halo 1-3 fan base?
>
> Stop making assumptions and try to prove it with facts.

Not assumption, fact!

First, more people are playing Halo 4 MM than are playing Halo 3 MM.

Secondly, on launch day, and right up until this very post, the two most popular play lists, day in and day out, despite Halo 3 type plays lists being introduced and, despite CSR being introduced, was, is and will be Infinity Slayer and BTIS, the new version of Halo; not the old stale style Halo 3.

Thirdly, no matter how high Halo 4 population was at launch,or what it is now, the Infinity versions of the new Halo era are preferred over the Halo 3 era.

Fourthly, Halo Reach also has a higher MM population than Halo 3. Bungie made Halo Reach and introduced the DMR, AAs etc. Which is a new version (pre Halo 4) of Halo after Halo 3.

Fifthly, Halo Reach and Halo 4 represent the new versions of Halo. Bungie created the new version, Halo Reach. 343i expanded upon that new version with Halo 4.

Sixthly, the populations playing MM, of the new and near new versions of Halo, they being Halo Reach and Halo 4, outnumber those playing Halo 3 MM by a large number.

So, based on facts, not assumptions, by looking at the current playing MM populations of Halo Reach, a new version of Halo from Halo 3, those people prefer Halo Reach over Halo 3 (some might also prefer Halo Reach over Halo 4, to be fair but,either way,Halo 3 losses). And, those playing Halo 4 obviously prefer it over Halo Reach and most definitely Halo 3 (again, Halo 3 losses).

So, using the only valid data available, that is, daily playing populations of Halo 3, Halo Reach and Halo 4, the new versions of Halo that Bungie created and 343i has expanded upon, are more played than Halo 3.

Further, using the data of population numbers that play Halo 4 each day, it is clear the new Infinity style is preferred over Halo 3 style play…facts are facts.

But then again, Halo 3 players are unable to notice facts because they chant “Halo 3, Halo 3, Halo 3” in response to anything related to Halo 4.

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Edited by Moderator - Please do not flame/attack others.

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> Dear 343i,
>
> Could you please give due consideration to the majority of players who have, since launch day up until this very post, kept Infinity Slayer and BTIS at number one and two on the play lists rankings, by doing something very special for the small number of <mark>Halo 3 players that play Team Throwdown etc?</mark>
>
> Could you please determine whether or not it is financially viable to re-skin Halo 3 as you did with Halo CE Anniversary, and keep the Halo 3 severs up for a few years yet and, <mark>also reset everyones ranks on Halo 3 MM to zero? I know a lot of us Infinity fans will be happy to see that happen!</mark> Then,you, 343i, can continue to make the new version of Halo, <mark>the modern gaming era Halo,which is popular in terms of the sixteen play lists rankings. You are on the right track!</mark>
>
> However, it would also be good for the next Halo if you, on launch day,provide play lists and game modes to suite your new vision, as you have done with Halo 4 but,also play lists and game modes, for the smaller Halo 3 crowd that still exists. That way, they will not feel left out/behind, <mark>opining once again for a lost game</mark>; <mark>the Halo 5 forums could do without all the “Halo 3 blah blah blah”, post in and post out</mark>.

So you are assuming that the people who play throwdown are all halo 3 players? The only people who like competitive halo are halo 3 players? the -Yoink-?

Why would that make halo 4 infinity fans happy? so all the people who are half decent at halo 4 go back to halo 3, and the people who can’t handle halo 4 currently don’t have to play anyone good?

Sorry, but what is popular about the ranks in this game? the 30k population that has continued to drop since the CSR release? Is that really being on the right track?

I believe that a vast majority of people would argue that halo 4 is the lost game. Keep that in mind, because a lot people on the forums view you as defending a lost game.

Or perhaps you and 343i could take all of that as a hint.

Now on a side note, you may already receive a fair share of flame, and i’m not trying to get banned here, but I have got to say, your posts are borderline trolling IMO.

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Edited by Moderator - Please do not flame/attack others.

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> > Dear 343i,
> >
> > Could you please give due consideration to the majority of players who have, since launch day up until this very post, kept Infinity Slayer and BTIS at number one and two on the play lists rankings, by doing something very special for the small number of <mark>Halo 3 players that play Team Throwdown etc?</mark>
> >
> > Could you please determine whether or not it is financially viable to re-skin Halo 3 as you did with Halo CE Anniversary, and keep the Halo 3 severs up for a few years yet and, <mark>also reset everyones ranks on Halo 3 MM to zero? I know a lot of us Infinity fans will be happy to see that happen!</mark> Then,you, 343i, can continue to make the new version of Halo, <mark>the modern gaming era Halo,which is popular in terms of the sixteen play lists rankings. You are on the right track!</mark>
> >
> > However, it would also be good for the next Halo if you, on launch day,provide play lists and game modes to suite your new vision, as you have done with Halo 4 but,also play lists and game modes, for the smaller Halo 3 crowd that still exists. That way, they will not feel left out/behind, <mark>opining once again for a lost game</mark>; <mark>the Halo 5 forums could do without all the “Halo 3 blah blah blah”, post in and post out</mark>.

LMFAO. Trolling? You are a derp!

I have stated nothing but facts; read my immediate prior post. My suggestion in OP is real,I’m sick of Halo 3 players crying all the time; I honest;ly can not see why my proposal could not be done, if feasible. Anything to give the Halo 3 “fans” something to do other than Yoink thread after thread, post after post.

The Halo 3 spends most of their time on a Halo 4 forum Yoinking and complaining…how about go play Halo 3! When I come up with a valid suggestion to please Halo 3 people, they still Yoink about it,just liktyou just did!

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I’d rather not remake Halo 3. Worst game of the “old” Halos.

CE needs a proper remake first.

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I like halo 3 but i like new stuff but in halo 4 is it not a falcon/hornet

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Sorry, I was just stating facts.

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WolfBlade XIII,

Yeah…Um…I’m not sure how to break the news to you, but…Yeah…HAVE YOU SEEN THE HALO 4 POPULATION!!!
!!! LoL !!!
The “HALO 3 GAMERS” CALLED IT!!! “HALO 3 Gamers” predicted what was going to happen to HALO 4!!! Go way back to some of my older posts when HALO 4 was out for just a few months. Go back to most of the older posts from the “HALO 3 Gamers” and tell us what they say!!! The demise of HALO 4 was predicted accurately by a significant HALO fan base and this fan base was ignored by 343i…And we were ignored by individuals who had the exact same mindset as YOU.
!!! LoL !!!
Look what happened?
!!! LMFAO !!!

FACT:
Halo 4 broke sales records not because of what 343i did, but because of the extremely hard work done by BUNGIE over the years. 343i rode on the HALO name and were carried by the work BUNGIE did years ago.
FACT:
MLG COMPLETELY DROPPED HALO 4
FACT:
343i hired former Halo 3 PRO gamer “Gandhi”
(if Halo 3 is/was such crap then why did 343i hire a former Halo 3 PRO to help save their GOLD TICKET GAMING FRANCHISE?)
FACT:
343i hired “MLG Bravo” pretty much for the same reasons they hired “Gandhi”.
FACT:
Halo 4 was put out on the retail market as an UNFINISHED game. Custom Games wasn’t working correctly…FILE SHARE didn’t work at all.
FACT:
343i listened to gamers and fans like you and look what the result has been. You tell everyone here if that has been a good choice or not. LoL…I’ll look forward to your answer.
FACT:
Halo 4 IS NOT HALO!!! Just because Microsoft owns the RIGHTS to the Halo name, and they label a retail package with the Halo name, doesn’t mean the game is really Halo…Halo 4 is definitely not Halo…The proof is in the demise of HALO 4.

Before you or any MOD labels me as a TROLL here’s some info:
I’ve been gaming and I have been a fan of Halo since the beginning. I have gone through 4 Xbox 360 consoles just for Halo 3. I had well over 20 different ACTIVE GOLD ACCOUNTS during the “Good ol’ Days” of Halo 3. I am not a TROLL…Like you, I am a CUSTOMER.

I Like Pie,
-Ballz-

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> WolfBlade XIII,
>
> Yeah…Um…I’m not sure how to break the news to you, but…Yeah…HAVE YOU SEEN THE HALO 4 POPULATION!!!
> !!! LoL !!!
> The “HALO 3 GAMERS” CALLED IT!!! “HALO 3 Gamers” predicted what was going to happen to HALO 4!!! Go way back to some of my older posts when HALO 4 was out for just a few months. Go back to most of the older posts from the “HALO 3 Gamers” and tell us what they say!!! The demise of HALO 4 was predicted accurately by a significant HALO fan base and this fan base was ignored by 343i…And we were ignored by individuals who had the exact same mindset as YOU.
> !!! LoL !!!
> Look what happened?
> !!! LMFAO !!!
>
> FACT:
> <mark>Halo 4 broke sales records not because of what 343i did, but because of the extremely hard work done by BUNGIE over the years. 343i rode on the HALO name and were carried by the work BUNGIE did years ago.</mark>
> FACT:
> <mark>MLG COMPLETELY DROPPED HALO 4</mark>
> FACT:
> 343i hired <mark>former Halo 3 PRO gamer “Gandhi”</mark>
> (if Halo 3 is/was such crap then why did 343i hire a former Halo 3 PRO to help save their GOLD TICKET GAMING FRANCHISE?)
> FACT:
> 343i hired “MLG Bravo” pretty much for the same reasons they hired “Gandhi”.
> FACT:
> Halo 4 was put out on the retail market as an UNFINISHED game. Custom Games wasn’t working correctly…FILE SHARE didn’t work at all.
> FACT:
> 343i listened to gamers and fans like you and look what the result has been. You tell everyone here if that has been a good choice or not. LoL…I’ll look forward to your answer.
> FACT:
> <mark>Halo 4 IS NOT HALO!!!</mark> Just because Microsoft owns the RIGHTS to the Halo name, and they label a retail package with the Halo name, doesn’t mean the game is really Halo…Halo 4 is definitely not Halo…The proof is in the demise of HALO 4.
>
> Before you or any MOD labels me as a TROLL here’s some info:
> I’ve been gaming and <mark>I have been a fan of Halo since the beginning</mark>. I have gone through 4 Xbox 360 consoles just for Halo 3. I had well over 20 different ACTIVE GOLD ACCOUNTS during the “Good ol’ Days” of Halo 3. I am not a TROLL…Like you, I am a CUSTOMER.
>
> <mark>I Like Pie,</mark>
> -Ballz-

Ok here we go:
1)No I’d say it was the promise of a continuation of Master Chief’s story that got me and my friends to buy Halo 4
2)MLG was going to pick Halo up, the -Yoink!- contract is what caused them to drop us
3)Gandhi was a ‘Halo 2 Pro Gamer’ or was most noteable for that period
4)Forgive me but I think the game features Spartans, The Covenant, Forerunners, the UNSC, shielding, the BR and a bloody Halo. ‘Halo 4 is not Halo’ <— massively ironic/false statement
5)You’re obviously not long-time a fan if you’ve missed out some of these details, I’m thinking you joined with Halo 3
6)You want me to take you seriously?

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The reason why the Infinity playlists are larger is because they have more appeal to the standard gamer than the other playlists.

They’re full of gimmicks and water downed game play quite simply to allow the average gamer to feel success in an environment they usually might not get to experience, ie, power weapons in PoDs, Random Ordnance.

A smart developer would’ve had the hindsight to recognize the different cliques if you will of gamers in the Halo Universe and catered to them. Not the majority, but every single demographic.

Its true that the majority of Halo 4s population like Infinity. But why was there never an option for a purely classic or competitive experience from the start?

We shouldn’t have to go back to an old game to get our kicks. We shouldn’t have to buy a reskinned product for them either.
The best thing for Halo 5 would be to give everyone the best of the series whether it be the old school CE-3 era classic game play as an option, a competitive option with either customized classic settings or maybe a hybrid of the best settings in the series and keep Infinity as a social playlist

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I think some are overplaying the extravagance of Halo 3 just a tad. I loved the game as much as the next guy, but comparatively, it needed to evolve. 4 and Reach might not have been perfect, but you know, neither was H3. I could list various reasons why this is so, but cbf.

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> Ok here we go:
> 1)No I’d say it was the promise of a continuation of Master Chief’s story that got me and my friends to buy Halo 4
> 2)MLG was going to pick Halo up, the -Yoink!- contract is what caused them to drop us
> 3)Gandhi was a ‘Halo 2 Pro Gamer’ or was most noteable for that period
> 4)Forgive me but I think the game features Spartans, The Covenant, Forerunners, the UNSC, shielding, the BR and a bloody Halo. ‘Halo 4 is not Halo’ <— massively ironic/false statement
> 5)You’re obviously not long-time a fan if you’ve missed out some of these details, I’m thinking you joined with Halo 3
> 6)You want me to take you seriously?

Promethean Zz,
Go back to sleep because you must be a campaign gamer. Thanks for playing. The Halo campaigns, as great as they have been, are not the “Bread & Butter” of Halo. It’s all about the Multiplayer. The Multiplayer is what has kept the Halo games going. Unfortunately, not for Halo 4 though…Tee-Hee.
Sarcasm
Thanks for letting me know “Gandhi” was a Halo 2 PRO because I don’t think I would have ever known that if you didn’t tell me.
End Sarcasm
More Sarcasm
Thanks for addressing my other points.
Again, End Sarcasm
Do I want you to take me seriously? You know…I don’t care if you do or not. We’re all allowed to say what it is we want to say.

“P” In The “V”,
-Ballz-