343i...good judgment call on weapon tweaks

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The Bulletin announcement about buffing other weapons while leaving the DMR alone, is the right one.

You see, many on these forums believe that the halo community, is, well, just them. That is in fact, false. The Halo community is not just made up of those who frequent these forums and post about how much they hate Halo ,that they are leaving Halo for good, taht they are done, that they hate this weapon or that weapon and make demand, after demand with threats of never playing Halo again in order to get what they want.

On the contrary, the Halo community is made up of many different parts. there are those that just love and read the Halo novels.Others just buy the Halo products,such as collectibles. Others still just watch related Halo products, such as Red v Blue videos. And, there are those that just play the campaign. There might be a new section that just plays Spartan Ops.Also,we have those many thousands who play Halo 4 MM each day. Finally, we have another small, but vocal part of the Halo community, the Waypoint forum crowd, of which, I am one. Further, there are those who fit into more than one of the above or participate in all of them!

343i looks at the data, the facts and interprets that as best they can. When looking at the issue of the DMR, what are those facts? Well,you have a divided Waypoint forum Halo community which is bitterly divided over the DMR. The Halo 2/3 aging fan boys want the BR to rule…actually, even withing the aging Halo 2/3 fan boy gropu there is disagreement as some want the DMR gone altogether, some want it nerfed in various ways, others want it as a pick up, others say the the buff to the BR/LR/AR etc is OK and so on. On the other hand, there are those on these forums that have argued against any nerf of the DMR.

In addition to the few hundred that have entered into the DMR debate on these forums, which are bitterly divided and are not in unanimous agreement as to what should be done, are the majority who actually play Halo 4 day in and day out…the silent majority and, the data 343i no dout has, is that the DMR is much loved as well as used.

Buffing the BR and other weapons, IMO, is far better than messing with the DMR. 343i is making the right move based on facts. They took the minority Haloway forum community into account by proposing the weapon buffs that have so far been announced (subject to change) by at teh same time sticking to reality as far as the larger part of the Halo 4 community is concerned, the playing community day in and day out that vote with the DMR by using it, for whatever reason…love…ease of use…necessity.

Good call 343i!

PS

I suspect that some, probably a small number, of those who complain on these forums might actually be COD players who are on these forums for sadistic fun, to fuel negative debate and gain great enjoyment at the Halo community, or part thereof, eat itself alive! You know, like Yoinks in real life that incite crowds to riot and such!

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As i said in a similar topic, i think the update is interesting and will likely be better as weapon balance is a big issue for me. Though i wonder on the automatics performance.

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If there is one thing i have to add, the DMR will still reign the best on BTB. Even with the buffing of BR, CB, & LR, its still no match for the DMR. However in small/mid sized maps, they’ll pay off big time, which gives us the opportunity to complete, if some haven’t, the Commies for BR, CB, & LR.

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> As i said in a similar topic, i think the update is interesting and will likely be better as weapon balance is a big issue for me. Though i wonder on the automatics performance.

I thought the same thing. Why use an automatic if the BR goes to 4SK?

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Everytime I see a post about keeping the DMR the way it is the poster uses exclusively the DMR, yea you have 17,000 kills with the DMR and less than 2,000 with the battle rifle… biased much? What they need to do is nerf the dmr’s magnetism.

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I’m just worried that autos will become worthless. Because they shouldn’t be worthless. They should dominate their niche.

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I am one of those “aging Halo 2/3 fanboys”, and I think I speak for all of us when I say we never wanted the BR to rule, just for it to be balanced alongside the DMR and not made obsolete by it. I personally don’t care how 343i goes about doing this so long as it gets done.

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> If there is one thing i have to add, the DMR will still reign the best on BTB. Even with the buffing of BR, CB, & LR, its still no match for the DMR. However in small/mid sized maps, they’ll pay off big time, which gives us the opportunity to complete, if some haven’t, the Commies for BR, CB, & LR.

If the DMR and Light Rifle end up having the same red reticule range you’ll start to see a lot more DMR kids get spanked at long range with the LR’s 4sk.

Which brings me to my point. I read the bulletin and I love most of the proposed changes except for one. They metioned increasing the LR’s RRR to be the same as the DMR, it should be the other way around. The DMR has TOO much range and it should be lowered to what the LR is, this will allow for better and more map movement.

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Their “data”, lol, does nothing more than illustrate that the DMR is the most used weapon. Taking it beyond this statement with that data alone is just plain stupid.

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> As i said in a similar topic, i think the update is interesting and will likely be better as weapon balance is a big issue for me. Though i wonder on the automatics performance.

I agree but, will have to see how the auto buff turns out.

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> If there is one thing i have to add, the DMR will still reign the best on BTB. Even with the buffing of BR, CB, & LR, its still no match for the DMR. However in small/mid sized maps, they’ll pay off big time, which gives us the opportunity to complete, if some haven’t, the Commies for BR, CB, & LR.

Well, the LR, being 4sk scoped, with a possible RRR the same as the DMR, will be more deadly now that it already was!

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They are proposing buff to automatics (yessss) DMR, leave at 3x zoom (it’s designed as more a precision weapon than BR) toning down the zoom makes zero sense in my opinion.

All in all though, I’m happy.

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> Everytime I see a post about keeping the DMR the way it is the poster uses exclusively the DMR, yea you have 17,000 kills with the DMR and less than 2,000 with the battle rifle… biased much? What they need to do is nerf the dmr’s magnetism.

Thank you for pointing ut a fact…unlike what many post on theses forums, like, about the DMR for example.

Another fact…<mark>my DMR use only accounts for 34 per cent of my kills</mark>!

I use the DMR on Ragnarok and Longbow only.

I rock with the AR/BR on all other maps!

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When the weapon is so popular and used by virtually everyone, it should really be looked into to find out WHY people are using it so much.

In the DMR’s case, it has a lot of aim assist and a ton of magnetism, unskillful elements that make it the easiest weapon to use. So, that obviously means people are going to use it because it’s statistically better than every other starting weapon. This also undermines one of 343’s reasons for custom loadouts, the accessibility of allowing players to experience the full weapon sandbox.

I don’t understand the logic in changing every other weapon in the game to balance the sandbox to one OP weapon. It’s popular because it’s so easily abused 343, don’t be afraid of making your game more skillful. I don’t think many people will complain about the game becoming more skillful, as that has long been Halo’s defense against CoD in the past, now there is no defense.

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> I am one of those “aging Halo 2/3 fanboys”, and I think I speak for all of us when I say we never wanted the BR to rule, just for it to be balanced alongside the DMR and not made obsolete by it. I personally don’t care how 343i goes about doing this so long as it gets done.

Actually,I have been around these threads all year and there is disagreement among the Halo 2/3 crowds as to what should be done.

My posts have shown that I did not support any nerf of the DMR; that the AR, BR and DMR do exactly what 343i stated they would prior to launch of Halo 4; that if a nerf was done that I could live with that; that if a nerf was going to be done, that doing something about other weapons would be better and so on.

I am happy with the progress 343i is making on the weapons. I am looking forward to the BR being 4sk…I have grown to like it and will do so even more! Both the BR and DMR have a place and future in Halo. They both have a different purpose and the proposed buff to teh BR (and other weapons) is teh right way to go.

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> When the weapon is so popular and used by virtually everyone, it should really be looked into to find out WHY people are using it so much.
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> In the DMR’s case, it has a lot of aim assist and a ton of magnetism, unskillful elements that make it the easiest weapon to use. So, that obviously means people are going to use it because it’s statistically better than every other starting weapon. This also undermines one of 343’s reasons for custom loadouts, the accessibility of allowing players to experience the full weapon sandbox.
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> <mark>I don’t understand the logic in changing every other weapon in the game to balance the sandbox to one OP weapon.</mark> It’s popular because it’s so easily abused 343, don’t be afraid of making your game more skillful. I don’t think many people will complain about the game becoming more skillful, as that has long been Halo’s defense against CoD in the past, now there is no defense.

Because its kill time is fantastic and is consistent with past titles.

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I have faith, unlike most it seems. 343i made a great game, just gotta find the PERFECT balance between all the different factors that come into play.

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> > When the weapon is so popular and used by virtually everyone, it should really be looked into to find out WHY people are using it so much.
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> > In the DMR’s case, it has a lot of aim assist and a ton of magnetism, unskillful elements that make it the easiest weapon to use. So, that obviously means people are going to use it because it’s statistically better than every other starting weapon. This also undermines one of 343’s reasons for custom loadouts, the accessibility of allowing players to experience the full weapon sandbox.
> >
> > <mark>I don’t understand the logic in changing every other weapon in the game to balance the sandbox to one OP weapon.</mark> It’s popular because it’s so easily abused 343, don’t be afraid of making your game more skillful. I don’t think many people will complain about the game becoming more skillful, as that has long been Halo’s defense against CoD in the past, now there is no defense.
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> Because its kill time is fantastic and is consistent with past titles.

How so? Are we trying to aim for Halo CE Magnum kill time, that’s from past titles? The BR in Halo 3 didn’t kill as fast as the DMR does, and it didn’t have the magnetism and aim assist the DMR has either.

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> Actually,I have been around these threads all year and there is disagreement among the Halo 2/3 crowds as to what should be done.
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> My posts have shown that I did not support any nerf of the DMR; that the AR, BR and DMR do exactly what 343i stated they would prior to launch of Halo 4; that if a nerf was done that I could live with that; that if a nerf was going to be done, that doing something about other weapons would be better and so on.
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> I am happy with the progress 343i is making on the weapons. I am looking forward to the BR being 4sk…I have grown to like it and will do so even more! Both the BR and DMR have a place and future in Halo. They both have a different purpose and the proposed buff to teh BR (and other weapons) is teh right way to go.

I have never seen anyone from any crowd on this forum advocating that the BR should rule and the DMR should be nerfed to the point of uselessness. Maybe a troll thread slipped in under my nose, but that hardly makes for the voice of the “Halo 2/3 crowd”.

The only contention on this issue between folks on here regarding the DMR is whether it should be nerfed to balance it with the other precision weapons, or whether the other precision weapons should be buffed to balance them with the DMR. There have been some advocating the removal of the DMR altogether, but even if that was done the BR would still be the worst precision weapon in terms of TTK so I don’t think that represents the wishes of any particular group of fanboys. I think if this balancing 343 is doing works then a lot of people will be satisfied, regardless of what Halo game they like best.

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> > > When the weapon is so popular and used by virtually everyone, it should really be looked into to find out WHY people are using it so much.
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> > > In the DMR’s case, it has a lot of aim assist and a ton of magnetism, unskillful elements that make it the easiest weapon to use. So, that obviously means people are going to use it because it’s statistically better than every other starting weapon. This also undermines one of 343’s reasons for custom loadouts, the accessibility of allowing players to experience the full weapon sandbox.
> > >
> > > <mark>I don’t understand the logic in changing every other weapon in the game to balance the sandbox to one OP weapon.</mark> It’s popular because it’s so easily abused 343, don’t be afraid of making your game more skillful. I don’t think many people will complain about the game becoming more skillful, as that has long been Halo’s defense against CoD in the past, now there is no defense.
> >
> > Because its kill time is fantastic and is consistent with past titles.
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> How so? Are we trying to aim for Halo CE Magnum kill time, that’s from past titles? The BR in Halo 3 didn’t kill as fast as the DMR does, and it didn’t have the magnetism and aim assist the DMR has either.

H4 DMR- 1.47 sec
H2 BR- 1.43 sec
H3 BR- 1.53
http://www.halocouncil.com/community/index.php?/topic/12399-r-the-halo-utility-weapon-thread-by-duji-and-k2five/

I agree a slight reduction in aim assist and magnetism should happen.