To everyone reading this, I ask you to read it open minded and not already filled with your thoughts and criticism on certain aspects.
Duel Wielding Will Not Be ReturningI can understand why they didn’t have this implemented. Duel wielding can lead to many faults in the game. For instance, a weapon combo that is to powerful if wielded, or worse, a weapon that is to weak when not wielded. But is it that big of a deal to start making a fuss? No. Halo 4 + 5 didn’t have duel wielding so at this point it’s over and done with. The same “oh it can be added in campaign” argument is also invalid here. This will make weapons become very weak to avoid having a way to powerful combo and before you know it you’re just shredding through grunts, elites, brutes etc. A lot of people don’t realize how delicate of a system it is. 343 is still tuning weapons preparing for launch, so adding duel wielding rather to campaign or multiplayer I don’t think is worth it.
Playable Elites Won’t ReturnI can understand why some people are upset about this. Mainly the people who play MCC or the very early Halo’s are the majority of them. 343 stated in the recent Ask343 how Infinite is all about being Spartan 117. The key word there is Spartan. It doesn’t make sense, at least to me, to have elites in a battle field with military Spartan soldiers. Quinn stated that they may consider it down the line, but as for now we are a Spartan, which is perfectly fine by me. And it doesn’t really make sense to me how an elite can use a grapple shot. Edit - lots of people tend to speak about the “lore” behind elites and Spartans. Again, I’m perfectly fine with having elites in the game, but they’ve stated how you would be able to play Infinite with no previous lore/canon knowledge. I’m assuming this is partially a reason why they made this decision. Sure it’s great to have it for us canon followers on halo, but seeing as Infinite is free-to-play the majority won’t understand the relation between the two.
Players Response to the aboveThe response I’ve seen on both YouTube and here on Waypoint are somewhat ridiculous. It’s gotten to the point where people aren’t even buying the game! I’m sorry but that’s pretty ridiculous. Sure some people loved it, but the fact that you’re leaving a game that you’ve been with for years and years because you won’t be able to be an alien is absurd. Games have there ups and downs and if you call yourself a fan, a fan sticks with the game through them. I read someone’s post who has played Halo for nearly 19 years and won’t be getting Infinite because you won’t be able to play as an alien. I don’t want this to come off as “oh you don’t support every decision 343 made, you’re not a fan!”. That’s not what I’m trying to say, but just give the game a chance, elites will most likely be added down the line for all we know.
I don’t want people who are upset about these topics to take this the wrong way. I’m not saying your opinion is invalid and stupid. It’s okay to think that, but when it gets to the point where you’re not even going to give the game a try because you won’t be able to hold two guns or play as an alien is absolutely ridiculous. Feel free to rant, but the majority of the community won’t care if playing as an elite makes it into the game or not. Most of the H5 community going into Infinite won’t care much if playable Elites are even a thing.
Sorry for the long tirade, but we are near the home stretch now. E3, or Microsoft’s replacement for it, is just 3 months away. Infinite is 7/8 months away. Let’s get through it, together.
In no way am I saying Elites or duel wielding should never make a return. To those of you making the argument “oh they should’ve just put it in campaign”, that’s fine and I agree. All I’m trying to do is try to make you guys realize what I think 343 was thinking when making these decisions.
Amen brother. You said everything I had on my mind. Stupid how people aren’t even buying the game because you won’t be able to be an Elite in multiplayer, which when you think about it, sounds stupid.
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> To everyone reading this, I ask you to read it open minded and not already filled with your thoughts and criticism on certain aspects.
> - Duel Wielding Will Not Be ReturningI can understand why they didn’t have this implemented. Duel wielding can lead to many faults in the game. For instance, a weapon combo that is to powerful if wielded, or worse, a weapon that is to weak when not wielded. But is it that big of a deal to start making a fuss? No. Halo 4 + 5 didn’t have duel wielding so at this point it’s over and done with.
> - Playable Elites Won’t ReturnI can understand why some people are upset about this. Mainly the people who play MCC or the very early Halo’s are the majority of them. 343 stated in the recent Ask343 how Infinite is all about being Spartan 117. The key word there is Spartan. It doesn’t make sense, at least to me, to have elites in a battle field with military Spartan soldiers. Quinn stated that they may consider it down the line, but as for now we are a Spartan, which is perfectly fine by me.
> - Players Response to the aboveThe response I’ve seen on both YouTube and here on Waypoint are somewhat ridiculous. It’s gotten to the point where people aren’t even buying the game! I’m sorry but that’s not a truly dedicated halo fan. Sure some people loved it, but the fact that you’re leaving a game that you’ve been with for years and years because you won’t be able to be an alien is absurd. Games have there ups and downs and if you call yourself a fan, a fan sticks with the game through them. I read someone’s post who has played Halo for nearly 19 years and won’t be getting Infinite because you won’t be able to play as an alien.
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> I don’t want people who are upset about these topics to take this the wrong way. I’m not saying your opinion is invalid and stupid. It’s okay to think that, but when it gets to the point where you’re not even going to give the game a try because you won’t be able to hold two guns or play as an alien is absolutely ridiculous. Feel free to rant, but the majority of the community won’t care if playing as an elite makes it into the game or not.
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> Sorry for the long tirade, but we are near the home stretch now. E3, or Microsoft’s replacement for it is just 3 months away. Infinite is 7/8 months away. Let’s get through it, together.
Fair enough. I didn’t realize there are some people not buying the game because of duel wielding or elites. Fricking ridiculous if you ask me.
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> > To everyone reading this, I ask you to read it open minded and not already filled with your thoughts and criticism on certain aspects.
> > - Duel Wielding Will Not Be ReturningI can understand why they didn’t have this implemented. Duel wielding can lead to many faults in the game. For instance, a weapon combo that is to powerful if wielded, or worse, a weapon that is to weak when not wielded. But is it that big of a deal to start making a fuss? No. Halo 4 + 5 didn’t have duel wielding so at this point it’s over and done with.
> > - Playable Elites Won’t ReturnI can understand why some people are upset about this. Mainly the people who play MCC or the very early Halo’s are the majority of them. 343 stated in the recent Ask343 how Infinite is all about being Spartan 117. The key word there is Spartan. It doesn’t make sense, at least to me, to have elites in a battle field with military Spartan soldiers. Quinn stated that they may consider it down the line, but as for now we are a Spartan, which is perfectly fine by me.
> > - Players Response to the aboveThe response I’ve seen on both YouTube and here on Waypoint are somewhat ridiculous. It’s gotten to the point where people aren’t even buying the game! I’m sorry but that’s not a truly dedicated halo fan. Sure some people loved it, but the fact that you’re leaving a game that you’ve been with for years and years because you won’t be able to be an alien is absurd. Games have there ups and downs and if you call yourself a fan, a fan sticks with the game through them. I read someone’s post who has played Halo for nearly 19 years and won’t be getting Infinite because you won’t be able to play as an alien.
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> > I don’t want people who are upset about these topics to take this the wrong way. I’m not saying your opinion is invalid and stupid. It’s okay to think that, but when it gets to the point where you’re not even going to give the game a try because you won’t be able to hold two guns or play as an alien is absolutely ridiculous. Feel free to rant, but the majority of the community won’t care if playing as an elite makes it into the game or not.
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Thank you. Playing as an Elite never truly felt like halo to me so why it’s a big deal, I can’t say, but just give this drama a couple days and it will die down.
I don’t care about Elites per se, but what always pissed me off on Reach was letting Elites have Evade but not Spartans. Evade was great, but they ended up removing it from Multi-team back in the day. Then it barely appeared anywhere in MP since Elite Slayer came up so rarely. Yet, we were all subjected to the ridiculous armor lock no matter how much people complained about it.
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> - Duel Wielding Will Not Be ReturningI can understand why they didn’t have this implemented. Duel wielding can lead to many faults in the game. For instance, a weapon combo that is to powerful if wielded, or worse, a weapon that is to weak when not wielded. But is it that big of a deal to start making a fuss? No. Halo 4 + 5 didn’t have duel wielding so at this point it’s over and done with.
There’s no reason why it can’t be in Campaign. The reason they gave was they’re focused on getting the sandbox right, post launch they should add it in for the campaign at least as that’s a completely different creature than multiplayer is.
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> - Playable Elites Won’t ReturnI can understand why some people are upset about this. Mainly the people who play MCC or the very early Halo’s are the majority of them. 343 stated in the recent Ask343 how Infinite is all about being Spartan 117. The key word there is Spartan. It doesn’t make sense, at least to me, to have elites in a battle field with military Spartan soldiers. Quinn stated that they may consider it down the line, but as for now we are a Spartan, which is perfectly fine by me.
You’re not familiar with the lore. Spartans and Elites train together all the time on the Anvil. And the Swords of Sanghelios and UNSC have many joint operations. Heck, the Banished were even stated to be willing to hire humans in the Official Spartan Field Manual. So this whole story presentation of regressing back to childish “good guy humans vs bad guy aliens” is nonsense.
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> The response I’ve seen on both YouTube and here on Waypoint are somewhat ridiculous. It’s gotten to the point where people aren’t even buying the game! I’m sorry but that’s not a truly dedicated halo fan. Sure some people loved it, but the fact that you’re leaving a game that you’ve been with for years and years because you won’t be able to be an alien is absurd. Games have there ups and downs and if you call yourself a fan, a fan sticks with the game through them. I read someone’s post who has played Halo for nearly 19 years and won’t be getting Infinite because you won’t be able to play as an alien.
I disagree with this extremely strongly for a number of reasons:
You can’t tell others how important they should consider something to be. Maybe you don’t understand why someone would give up with the whole game because they can’t play as an Elite. I don’t. But that doesn’t mean their response is absurd. Maybe that method of personalization really is that important to them. Maybe they view it as a culmination of something larger. Whatever it is, you’re not in a position to criticize their decision. - Anybody who views themselves as a fan, is a fan. That’s all there is to it. You don’t get to tell other people that they shouldn’t call themselves a fan. Maybe you keep religiously buying the games, no matter what. That’s fine. But maybe someone else views being a fan as a more active role. Maybe they’re not a fan of some hollow brand name and willing to follow it wherever it goes, but have a view of how the game should be, are a fan of that ideal of the game, and at some point see no point in following that hollow brand name once it drifts too far from that ideal, their ideal.I’ve played Halo for about the 20 years it has been around. I have my issues with the franchise. If I weren’t invested in this community, I wouldn’t even have played Halo 5 without the sense of obligation of needing to know what I’m talking about. Screw anyone who thinks I’m not a true Halo fan because my loyalty is to something deeper than Halo™ by 343 industries™ and Xbox Game Studios™.
their reasons for not having playable elites are kinda bad
i can understand for single player but multiplayer is just multiplayer, it doesnt need to be canon its detached, and if they must have a reason they can just say spartans and elites fight with eachother
if its for balance then make competitive spartan only and make social be whatever u want
if its an issue of dev time then fair enough do it for an update
playable elites shouldnt be an issue but 343 continue to make it one
I think part of the reason there will not be playable elites is how many very vocal community members were so against playing as anyone but Master Cheif in Halo 5. I am not trying to trigger anyone but the attitude I have seen about playing as a character other than Master Cheif in Halo 5 would also rule out playing as Arbiter in Halo 2 and as an Elite in any other game if you apply the same logic. The decision of not having playable Elites seems to be driven by community based feedback from a community that is split on the issue with lack of a clear logical way to make more than just a slim majority happy when it comes to specific aspects of the game.
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Im done having stockholm syndrome.
This game is literally never recovering and im finally going to get off this ride. Writing has been on the wall since they started making changes to halo reach. and its gotten even worse when you start seeing what they are doing to the old halo games in the mcc.
btw “dedicated fan” doesnt mean you have to accept whatever stupid change they decide to make to the franchise and buy everything they create
I love playing as Elites but them not being in Infinite isnt a deal breaker. I’m still getting the game day one on XGP. Duel wielding not being back is ok because it’ll be Plasma Pistol + any other weapon all over again.
Asking people to keep an open mind and then making weak points like “no playable Elites is perfectly fine by me people should just get over it” comes off as condescending/passive aggressive.
I say this as a fan who’s been with the series since the beginning(20years) and never plays as an Elite; we should have playable Elites. People like having the option and have been asking for it to return for a long time. It gives a little extra variety to the sandbox, make their hitboxes slightly different to Spartans it doesn’t need to be identical. Having playable Elites also makes sense from a lore perspective.
343i should be very, very wary of being too tryhard competitive. It’s a videogame hardly anyone gives a -Yoink- about #Esports. Halo needs a little bit of a casual relaxing fun vibe sprinkled in and no I don’t mean stupid -Yoink- like dance emotes.
P.S. Thinking Halo 4 & 5 is a positive benchmark for the series is a deluded and detrimental attitude. The bottomline is those games turned Halo into a shadow of its former self and the cold hard truth is the old way was the more successful way. The E3 demo was a colossal failure they had to bring back my boy Joe Staten to save them.
I can understand why there’s no dual wielding as some weapons will be have to be under powered when not dual wielded. The only work around I can think of is when you dual wield both weapons are slightly debuffed to make it slightly better than only using one weapon, while when you are only using one weapon that weapon will be balanced normally instead of being unnecessarily weak. Granted I’m no game dev, that may be too difficult to work in.
Now as for playable elites, no, I do not care about your lore reasons. “But multiplayer is a wargames simulation!”, “The campaign is about Chief!”, let me break this down for you.
If it is a simulation surely elites can be made part of that simulation even if in universe there are no live elites participating in the simulation, they can be simulated ally’s instead. Let’s be real here, no one cares about your nitpicking lore reasons. 343i used lore to create needless restrictions; therefore, those restrictions can be lifted through lore reasons as well. If it’s so important just have it so only some multiplayer modes have elites like Invasion mode and so on.
Yes, the campaign is about chief but we are not discussing campaign, we are discussing multiplayer.
Given the size of the playable elite thread that’s still ongoing I have to say not adding playable elites sees like a supremely dumb decision. Hopefully they can be worked in after launch or something, the reasons to not have playable elites are weak at best.
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I started going through the Q&A video and it almost sounds like a significant reason as to why playable elites aren’t a thing is for “competitive” reasons. Once again a few sweats are ruining things for everyone else. Halo 5 was built almost exclusively by feedback provided by sweats and we saw where that went. Why on Earth are they still being taken seriously.
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> I can understand why there’s no dual wielding as some weapons will be have to be under powered when not dual wielded. The only work around I can think of is when you dual wield both weapons are slightly debuffed to make it slightly better than only using one weapon, while when you are only using one weapon that weapon will be balanced normally instead of being unnecessarily weak. Granted I’m no game dev, that may be too difficult to work in.
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> If it is a simulation surely elites can be made part of that simulation even if in universe there are no live elites participating in the simulation, they can be simulated ally’s. Let’s be real here, no one cares about your nitpicking lore reasons. 343i used lore to create needless restrictions; therefore, those restrictions can be lifted through lore. If it’s so important just have it so only some multiplayer modes have elites like Invasion mode and so on.
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> Given the size of the playable elite thread that’s still ongoing I have to say not adding playable elites sees like a supremely dumb decision. Hopefully they can be worked in after launch or something, the reasons to not have playable elites are weak at best.
I love seeing fellow fans who just understand.
Regarding Duel Wielding I think the best approach would be adjusting accuracy, less accurate bullet spread/slightly more recoil when duel wielding and not being able to use equipment, grenades or melee or even switch weapons til dropping the duel wielded weapon. I feel like it wouldn’t be too hard to get right.
No playable Elites is the equivalent of 343i looking out a window at a sunset and asking themselves “What if we don’t do everything right? What if we insist on being hated?”
Neither are my cup of tea. Especially dual wielding which was a broken mechanic.
But a pity that they haven’t been able to include them for custom games. I assume that Elites are fully modelled for campaign - so it shouldn’t be too hard to bring them into multiplayer at some point. Even if they just kept it to Elite vs Elite to avoid balancing issues.
Same for dual wielding. If it’s just in customs you don’t have to worry about weapon balancing. Just create a map with lots of dual weapons and give everyone a bit of boost to their shields.
I pretty much have zero hype for this game anymore. I’ll play it because of game pass, but I’m sure it’s fate will be the same as Reach/4/5 and it’s multiplayer population will decline severely after 3 months.
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The dumbest thing is that Elites and Spartans train together in canon. So using a story reason to prevent playable Elites is the worst possible excuse, as that goes against the story itself!
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I just edited that part. Again, I’m not saying I never wanna see Elites in Infinite. They’ve stated how Infinite is going to be free to play and how people can join in and play with no previous knowledge. This lore relation between Elites and Spartans is great for us canon lovers, but unfortunately the majority of Infinite players (free to play players) will have no previous information knowledge on the game, which I think was one of 343’s reasons.
No Playable elites or Arbiter and I am out!! biggest Fan of the Halo Series! 343 just doesn’t get the fans.
Going to sell my special Pre-Order! Long Live BUNGIE! and Fan Games!
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There’s no reason 343 should hide that aliens and humans work together in the story, Halo Infinite’s multiplayer would a good way to show it up front for newcomers. If anything it’s more confusing for aliens going back to being only bad guys, after Halo 2 and Halo 3 showed them as allies, with Halo 5 doubling down on that.
Halo Online was free to play for Russian newcomers and had Elites and Spartans training together for the multiplayer story.