As seen here:
I’m baffled. They spend a whole 2 minutes maybe explaining the didact in the campaign, and they’re surprised that people didn’t understand him? What the hell did they expect? And now their solution is to make the story even simpler?
The terminals should’ve been a part of the campaign, not hidden away. 343, the solution is not to lessen the depth of the already simple stories you tell in the campaign, but to increase it. The ur-didacts memories (terminals) could’ve been a part of Johns geas, to explain him to John (and thus the player).
There were absolutely zero questions asked about the didact by any of the characters, so naturally the players don’t know a damn thing about him either. Why did no one care about who the mysterious alien creature flying around in a giant ball killing everything is?
Please don’t simplify your campaigns.
The terminals weren’t an issue and are already part of the game. Halo games pretty much have zero replay value at this point because there is nothing to look for.
Well like 6 people here are crying about how they don’t want to read the books and everything should be explained in the games. I guess that is enough people to get 343I’s attention.
The vast majority of people playing the game probably don’t watch the terminals and certainly don’t read the books. These are the kind of people they design the game around. God forbid we make them actually pay attention to the story of the game. Part of the problem is how stupidly far away the terminals are from the actual campaign.
-You need to exit the game, that’s already made most people with a passing interest not care anymore. Out of all the people that happen to come across a terminal in the first place, how many people actually care enough to remember to go look for the video after their gaming session is up?
-download a separate “app”
-find the terminals which are not advertised at all. They’re hidden in another tab on the app that gives no hint that the terminals would even be there. If I didn’t know better…and I don’t know better, I’d say they were trying to hide it from people…it’s about as far from being a part of the game as they could make it.
I watched the video yesterday, so my memory may be slightly off, but where did he say they were simplifying the campaign?
I remember Josh talking about how he wishes they did better in connecting other parts of the story, specifically the Ur-Didact, better in game. He recognized they let a little too much of the Forerunner Trilogy Ur-Didact in without good explanation in game.
If they did say they’re simplifying it, then I do agree they shouldn’t do that. Just take their time and explain, fit more information in-game rather than the entire backstory in a terminal that was goofed up due to time constraints (having to be placed in Waypoint). Many would agree the campaign felt a little short, length wise. If its longer, they can more opportunities to explain things like thr Forerunner we just awoke or the Covenant returning.
Like he said, they truly did want to connect all of the lore. But there is a limit to how much can be put in without good explanation, and 343i can learn from Halo 4 and improve that aspect of their storytelling.
They couldn’t fit halo 4’s terminals in disc. Not enough space
> The vast majority of people playing the game probably don’t watch the terminals and certainly don’t read the books. These are the kind of people they design the game around. God forbid we make them actually pay attention to the story of the game. Part of the problem is how stupidly far away the terminals are from the actual campaign.
Don’t understand why you are just now noticing this people people stopped playing halo for its story when halo 2 introduced live play.
> They couldn’t fit halo 4’s terminals in disc. Not enough space
Maybe if they had separated the discs as Campaign and the other as Multiplayer.
> They couldn’t fit halo 4’s terminals in disc. Not enough space
Why not stream them like they do the Spartan Ops episodes?
This scares the blam out of me. We have no chance of mentioning precursors now. The story is why i play and enjoy halo more then any other game.
> > They couldn’t fit halo 4’s terminals in disc. Not enough space
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> Why not stream them like they do the Spartan Ops episodes?
Probably because they didn’t think it would be that big of a deal due to what i already brought up. not to mention you could just use youtube.
> This scares the blam out of me. We have no chance of mentioning precursors now. The story is why i play and enjoy halo more then any other game.
This. I could care less about multiplayer, if 343 caters to just the people who don’t care about the story that is unfair on us who read the novels
> > This scares the blam out of me. We have no chance of mentioning precursors now. The story is why i play and enjoy halo more then any other game.
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> This. I could care less about multiplayer, if 343 caters to just the people who don’t care about the story that is unfair on us who read the novels
Exactly what’s the point of reading them if its just going to be i feel dumbed down people don’t care about campaign let the hardcore campaign people have something. If your going to cater to MLG pro’s for Multiplayer. Cater to the story pro’s as well.
343 is having Pro gamers visit 343 i feel they should do the same with story people have Medicant and Cobra visit 343 then the story would be perfect.
> I watched the video yesterday, so my memory may be slightly off, but where did he say they were simplifying the campaign?
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> I remember Josh talking about how he wishes they did better in connecting other parts of the story, specifically the Ur-Didact, better in game. He recognized they let a little too much of the Forerunner Trilogy Ur-Didact in without good explanation in game.
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> If they did say they’re simplifying it, then I do agree they shouldn’t do that. Just take their time and explain, fit more information in-game rather than the entire backstory in a terminal that was goofed up due to time constraints (having to be placed in Waypoint). Many would agree the campaign felt a little short, length wise. If its longer, they can more opportunities to explain things like thr Forerunner we just awoke or the Covenant returning.
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> Like he said, they truly did want to connect all of the lore. But there is a limit to how much can be put in without good explanation, and 343i can learn from Halo 4 and improve that aspect of their storytelling.
He says they let too many nuances of the didacts character from the novels and such bleed into the games narrative.
They didn’t spend more than a couple minutes explaining the didact outside the terminals yet they say he was too complex. Astounding. Who could’ve seen that coming? So he’s saying that a character who rambles on about concepts that pretty much haven’t been mentioned outside of the extended fiction made him too complex? If anything he was way oversimplified, they just couldn’t be bothered to spend more than 2 minutes explaining him. They didn’t even explain the important aspects of his current situation, just that he fought humans before and turned them into prometheans. What about mentioning that he was in contact with a gravemind and been going insane for 100,000 years? Players can relate to that, chief can relate to that, he talked to a gravemind too. Or most importantly, explain what the mantle is. He only mentions it 50 times.
> > > This scares the blam out of me. We have no chance of mentioning precursors now. The story is why i play and enjoy halo more then any other game.
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> > This. I could care less about multiplayer, if 343 caters to just the people who don’t care about the story that is unfair on us who read the novels
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> Exactly what’s the point of reading them if its just going to be i feel dumbed down people don’t care about campaign let the hardcore campaign people have something. If your going to cater to MLG pro’s for Multiplayer. Cater to the story pro’s as well.
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> 343 is having Pro gamers visit 343 i feel they should do the same with story people have Medicant and Cobra visit 343 then the story would be perfect.
If I trust anyone with story, I trust Mendicant and Cobra, I have a feeling they know what we want in story. People complain about not knowing who the Didact is and why he wants to attack us, if they choose not to read the books they shouldn’t complain, we should be rewarded for our dedication to part of the franchise
> > > > This scares the blam out of me. We have no chance of mentioning precursors now. The story is why i play and enjoy halo more then any other game.
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> > > This. I could care less about multiplayer, if 343 caters to just the people who don’t care about the story that is unfair on us who read the novels
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> > Exactly what’s the point of reading them if its just going to be i feel dumbed down people don’t care about campaign let the hardcore campaign people have something. If your going to cater to MLG pro’s for Multiplayer. Cater to the story pro’s as well.
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> > 343 is having Pro gamers visit 343 i feel they should do the same with story people have Medicant and Cobra visit 343 then the story would be perfect.
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> If I trust anyone with story, I trust Mendicant and Cobra, I have a feeling they know what we want in story. People complain about not knowing who the Didact is and why he wants to attack us, if they choose not to read the books they shouldn’t complain, we should be rewarded for our dedication to part of the franchise
Which is why we need to make our voice heard it worked for the matchmaking people i don’t see why it can’t work for us.
They have the groundwork for amazing stories. They have proven they can make awesome stories, they just refuse to implement them in their campaigns which are unfortunately the lead medium for delivering the story.
> > > > > This scares the blam out of me. We have no chance of mentioning precursors now. The story is why i play and enjoy halo more then any other game.
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> > > > This. I could care less about multiplayer, if 343 caters to just the people who don’t care about the story that is unfair on us who read the novels
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> > > Exactly what’s the point of reading them if its just going to be i feel dumbed down people don’t care about campaign let the hardcore campaign people have something. If your going to cater to MLG pro’s for Multiplayer. Cater to the story pro’s as well.
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> > > 343 is having Pro gamers visit 343 i feel they should do the same with story people have Medicant and Cobra visit 343 then the story would be perfect.
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> > If I trust anyone with story, I trust Mendicant and Cobra, I have a feeling they know what we want in story. People complain about not knowing who the Didact is and why he wants to attack us, if they choose not to read the books they shouldn’t complain, we should be rewarded for our dedication to part of the franchise
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> Which is why we need to make our voice heard it worked for the matchmaking people i don’t see why it can’t work for us.
Yeah 
well if Cobra and Mendicant agree, Spartan Ops was a nice way of giving to us and give us continued story support in the game, we need to make 343 aware we want to be rewarded for our love of the story, don’t dull it down. especially after how much money I’ve spent on the books and games
Sadly we have no way to get 343I to notice us.
> They have the groundwork for amazing stories. They have proven they can make awesome stories, they just refuse to implement them in their campaigns which are unfortunately the lead medium for delivering the story.
Like Legends, FuD, the novels, 343 can make a good story, make it to a point where the people who don’t pay attention to the extended lore can understand, but where we the people who go out of our way to read the novels can get even more out of it, it was satisfying while playing with my friends when they were asking who the Didact was and I sat there with a grin on my face
> Sadly we have no way to get 343I to notice us.
Because it’s multiplayer which brings people back, it’s upsetting to realise but we need to find a way to show 343 we want as much attention as the people who play multiplayer, how though?
