Altering existing hoppers that people have been playing for over a year already with these changes is not on. The TU stuff should be reserved for the anniversary playlist and whatever the mlg people want only.
So basically, i can no longer hone my skills across matchmaking (and campaign) based on one known set of rules of engagement and timings, and one set of well learned muscle memory responses (dont mess with 14 months of muscle memory for gods sake!). When i hop from team slayer to multiteam for eg, im effectively playing a very different game. I already try to either play anniversary/tu beta lists OR normal lists per night, to cut down on the jarring difference between the two.
The very LOUD set of people on this forum calling for the obliteration of launch settings in its entirety are not representative of the whole community, not even close. Most of the playerbase doesnt even come here. Surely you must realise this?
I cant be the only one bewildered by this move? It was well known that the Anniversary lists and MLG would be getting tweaks, and thats fine because theyre specialist hoppers, but this is a step too far. Ive supported literally every decision 343i has made upto now, a lot of the time taking major flak on the forums for doing so, but i cannot support this.
> You said you wouldnt do this.
>
> Altering existing hoppers that people have been playing for over a year already with these changes is not on. The TU stuff should be reserved for the anniversary playlist and whatever the mlg people want only.
>
> So basically, i can no longer hone my skills across matchmaking (and campaign) based on one known set of rules of engagement and timings, and one set of well learned muscle memory responses (dont mess with 14 months of muscle memory for gods sake!). When i hop from team slayer to multiteam for eg, im effectively playing a very different game. I already try to either play anniversary/tu beta lists OR normal lists per night, to cut down on the jarring difference between the two.
>
> The very LOUD set of people on this forum calling for the obliteration of launch settings in its entirety are not representative of the whole community, not even close. Most of the playerbase doesnt even come here. Surely you must realise this?
>
> I cant be the only one bewildered by this move? It was well known that the Anniversary lists and MLG would be getting tweaks, and thats fine because theyre specialist hoppers, but this is a step too far. Ive supported literally every decision 343i has made upto now, a lot of the time taking major flak on the forums for doing so, but i cannot support this.
They are only putting them into 3 playlist, to have testing grounds for the settings, To see how people react, if they even notice the difference. in my experiences 85 % Speeds up the game play, while retaining the sandbox(which just means so the AR does not get lost in the shuffle)
I don’t know if you know anyone in real life that screams I love how halo reach the way it is. because actually the majority of people I know in real life were disappointed in this game. Either because of bloom or Armor Lock.
The tweaks are a good thing in my opinion and only benefit everyone. 85 bloom is way better than default. No bloom beat both. this is my opinion of course.
I remember 343 posting an in game message saying. Tell us what you think at halo.xbox.com/tu or something like that. Is it their fault that the majority don’t come here and voice their views on the matter?
Just wait before you start saying you are disappointed. like Jaymzzz said, Most don’t even the notice or if they do. They probably be like (Oh Bloom is faster now! or. Omg finally i can get that newb out of armorlock!!! sweet!)
Theyve already tested this stuff in the TU beta hopper. Thats what it was there for. With this move 343i has started to move this stuff out of the testing phase and into production on already well established lists. I think we were led to believe that the changes only applied to the then forthcoming anniversary lists and whatever mlg wanted. I dont believe that most people want the game theyve been playing for over a year to be changed wholesale like this. The TU settings make for very different gunplay.
For the record i dont really like most of the TU changes either as ive said before, except the removal of sword block which was unfortunately necessary. This is immaterial to the point of this thread though, which is that whatever the changes are, they should not be enforced upon the standard lists and the majority of people whove never had a say in it.
And if anyone else is thinking of making a gloating non-constructive post in here because you support the opposite point of view like my friend jaymz, those who know me know that i really, really dont care and will just hide you and carry on, so dont waste your time.
I know exactly what you mean. Thats how I feel now when I play the modified bloom in the Beta then go in arena, it takes a few games to get used to it but it should be the same all across the playlist’s
Exactly. Now its less about skill and more about “wait is this bleed through or no bleed through? Should i hit the guy yet or…oh im dead.”
…
“right ill just get into the proper cadance ive learned from 14 months of play with the DMR and…oh, im dead, the other guy spammed the hell out of me and was hardly punished for it”
…
“Right, got you now, three pistol shots and…ok four…oh im dead. Hmm maybe ill pick up Call of Duty”
Sad days
Reach as is really is not as bad as the populist opinion states it is. Ive never understood the level of vitriolic hate towards it. Reach innovated like hell, if bungie had just put out Halo 3.5 instead then i think people would have had a real reason to complain. Frankie himself said its obviously one of the best FPS created, full stop. And yet they choose to basically shatter the multiplayer experience like this.
> Exactly. Now its less about skill and more about “wait is this bleed through or no bleed through? Should i hit the guy yet or…oh im dead.”
> …Aim for the head and/or count shots. Bleedthrough kills were never a problem in previous games.
>
> “right ill just get into the proper cadance ive learned from 14 months of play with the DMR and…oh, im dead, the other guy spammed the hell out of me and was hardly punished for it”
> Not spamming if not bloom. You are putting a handicap on yourself by firing slower.
> …
>
> "Right, got you now, three pistol shots and…ok four…oh im dead. Hmm maybe ill pick up Call of Duty"Wut
>
> Sad days
>
> Reach as is really is not as bad as the populist opinion states it is. Ive never understood the level of vitriolic hate towards it. Reach innovated like hell, if bungie had just put out Halo 3.5 instead then i think people would have had a real reason to complain. Frankie himself said its obviously one of the best FPS created, full stop. And yet they choose to basically shatter the multiplayer experience like this.
Shatter? How? By making it less random and increasing the skill needed to achieve in the game?
> You said you wouldnt do this.
>
> Altering existing hoppers that people have been playing for over a year already with these changes is not on. The TU stuff should be reserved for the anniversary playlist and whatever the mlg people want only.
>
> So basically, i can no longer hone my skills across matchmaking (and campaign) based on one known set of rules of engagement and timings, and one set of well learned muscle memory responses (dont mess with 14 months of muscle memory for gods sake!). When i hop from team slayer to multiteam for eg, im effectively playing a very different game. I already try to either play anniversary/tu beta lists OR normal lists per night, to cut down on the jarring difference between the two.
>
> The very LOUD set of people on this forum calling for the obliteration of launch settings in its entirety are not representative of the whole community, not even close. Most of the playerbase doesnt even come here. Surely you must realise this?
>
> I cant be the only one bewildered by this move? It was well known that the Anniversary lists and MLG would be getting tweaks, and thats fine because theyre specialist hoppers, but this is a step too far. Ive supported literally every decision 343i has made upto now, a lot of the time taking major flak on the forums for doing so, but i cannot support this.
Adapt.
In all seriousness though, the TU settings are not massively different like you are making them out to be. Most of the population will not even notice that the three playlists that are receiving the changes have been altered. There will still be many defualt Reach playlsits left for the time being, you players such as yourself went be left out in the cold.
For myself, I am glad to hear they are implementing the TU changes to more playlists. Especially with the news of the nerfed pistol, as well as a ZB Playlists. To bad they didn’t say anything about expanding Arena. Ah well. So far so good.
> Theyve already tested this stuff in the TU beta hopper. Thats what it was there for. With this move 343i has started to move this stuff out of the testing phase and into production on already well established lists. I think we were led to believe that the changes only applied to the then forthcoming anniversary lists and whatever mlg wanted. I dont believe that most people want the game theyve been playing for over a year to be changed wholesale like this. The TU settings make for very different gunplay.
>
> For the record i dont really like most of the TU changes either as ive said before, except the removal of sword block which was unfortunately necessary. This is immaterial to the point of this thread though, which is that whatever the changes are, they should not be enforced upon the standard lists and the majority of people whove never had a say in it.
>
> And if anyone else is thinking of making a gloating non-constructive post in here because you support the opposite point of view like my friend jaymz, those who know me know that i really, really dont care and will just hide you and carry on, so dont waste your time.
Hate to say it, You don’t speak for the community, All I read was how you did not like the settings much. If people hate the settings then they should come here and let 343 know, I mean if they care enough about the game they should.
Not once have I seen a logical person claim they are the vocal majority. 343 themselves admitted things are not working as intended. So they are making it right and doing it slowly.
Oh, its not that big a deal is it? Hardly noticable?
Why has everyone here been screaming about it for so long then. Why has a significant proportion of people been licking 343i soles over the changes and demanding the burning at the stake of the entirety of what is actually perfectly serviceable and long standing default settings, if its not a big deal? Of course its different. A lot different. And dont adapt me.
And SitriStal, kind of missed the point there buddy.
> > Theyve already tested this stuff in the TU beta hopper. Thats what it was there for. With this move 343i has started to move this stuff out of the testing phase and into production on already well established lists. I think we were led to believe that the changes only applied to the then forthcoming anniversary lists and whatever mlg wanted. I dont believe that most people want the game theyve been playing for over a year to be changed wholesale like this. The TU settings make for very different gunplay.
> >
> > For the record i dont really like most of the TU changes either as ive said before, except the removal of sword block which was unfortunately necessary. This is immaterial to the point of this thread though, which is that whatever the changes are, they should not be enforced upon the standard lists and the majority of people whove never had a say in it.
> >
> > And if anyone else is thinking of making a gloating non-constructive post in here because you support the opposite point of view like my friend jaymz, those who know me know that i really, really dont care and will just hide you and carry on, so dont waste your time.
>
> Hate to say it, You don’t speak for the community, All I read was how you did not like the settings much. If people hate the settings then they should come here and let 343 know, I mean if they care enough about the game they should.
>
> Not once have I seen a logical person claim they are the vocal majority. 343 themselves admitted things are not working as intended. So they are making it right and doing it slowly.
No i dont speak for all of the community, and neither does the MLG and its affiliates.
> Oh, its not that big a deal is it? Hardly noticable?
>
> Why has everyone here been screaming about it for so long then. Why has a significant proportion of people been licking 343i soles over the changes and demanding the burning at the stake of the entirety of what is actually perfectly serviceable and long standing default settings, if its not a big deal? Of course its different. A lot different. And dont adapt me.
>
> And SitriStal, kind of missed the point there buddy.
Hardly noticable to the majority of the playerbase.
Is the average player who never visits these forums going to notice the changes to AL? No. AC? No again. 85% bloom? Again no, most wont even notice.
Bleedthrough is really the only noticable change to the average player.
Which makes up the largest portion of the player base.
> > > Theyve already tested this stuff in the TU beta hopper. Thats what it was there for. With this move 343i has started to move this stuff out of the testing phase and into production on already well established lists. I think we were led to believe that the changes only applied to the then forthcoming anniversary lists and whatever mlg wanted. I dont believe that most people want the game theyve been playing for over a year to be changed wholesale like this. The TU settings make for very different gunplay.
> > >
> > > For the record i dont really like most of the TU changes either as ive said before, except the removal of sword block which was unfortunately necessary. This is immaterial to the point of this thread though, which is that whatever the changes are, they should not be enforced upon the standard lists and the majority of people whove never had a say in it.
> > >
> > > And if anyone else is thinking of making a gloating non-constructive post in here because you support the opposite point of view like my friend jaymz, those who know me know that i really, really dont care and will just hide you and carry on, so dont waste your time.
> >
> > Hate to say it, You don’t speak for the community, All I read was how you did not like the settings much. If people hate the settings then they should come here and let 343 know, I mean if they care enough about the game they should.
> >
> > Not once have I seen a logical person claim they are the vocal majority. 343 themselves admitted things are not working as intended. So they are making it right and doing it slowly.
>
> No i dont speak for all of the community, and neither does the MLG and its affiliates.
>
> I notice your account is brand new.
And what does that have to do with anything? my account is new? So… What?
I may use this account for MLG, A lot of people use secondary accounts for that playlist, its no secret.
343 is making this choice on their own, They are listening to us, but they just don’t say. Oh they say it’s broken so it must be. Lol No they test it themselves to see… We soon enough we get Chad saying bloom was not working as intended, and Armor Lock should be a block button, Like it should of been.
Don’t pin this on the MLG and the competitive community, we want to see this game improved upon, but its really up to 343 to say if its working as intended or not. We already got our answer from them.
That alone makes it terrible and unfair on the majority. Bleed through changes pretty much the entire CQB dynamic, for the worse imo. Just because some people cant deal with the concept of shields and health being separate things. The halo 3 AR charge is back, great what a leap forward.
And i still disagree with you writing off the rest of the changes as insignificant to the majority of people. Small tweaks have big effects. People will notice, theyre not idiots.
all though i sort of agree with the OP i will say this.
if the majority of the vocal minority like this then it stands to reason that the overall majority will as well.
why?
because not everyone who visits the forums have the same views and opinions or play the same, the minority is made up of the same people who play the game, from the more casual all the way to the hardcore, the only difference is they are voicing there opinions.
> That alone makes it terrible and unfair on the majority. Bleed through changes pretty much the entire CQB dynamic, for the worse imo. Just because some people cant deal with the concept of shields and health being separate things. The halo 3 AR charge is back, great what a leap forward.
>
> And i still disagree with you writing off the rest of the changes as insignificant to the majority of people. Small tweaks have big effects. People will notice, theyre not idiots.
But Sprint double beat downs are perfect? lol Give me AR Death Chargers over that any day. At least they shoot their gun.
If someone is pulling the sprint beatdown on you, go with armour lock and embarrass them. Its called weapons and abilities sandbox balance, bungie wove the weapons and abilities together for a reason.
This post has been edited by a moderator. Please do not flame or attack other members.
> all though i sort of agree with the OP i will say this.
>
> if the majority of the vocal minority like this then it stands to reason that the overall majority will as well.
> why?
> because not everyone who visits the forums have the same views and opinions or play the same, the minority is made up of the same people who play the game, from the more casual all the way to the hardcore, the only difference is they are voicing there opinions.
>
> edit:
> lol whoops, didn’t mean to have a quote…
That seems reasonable at first glance, but i wouldnt say the denizens of this forum actually are representative of the wider playerbase and community. You have to account for what sort of person would be motivated to make an account here in the first place and post about topics like this, probably people who already have strong opinions either way. Theres a fair amount of selection bias on these forums i feel.
