343 this is just outrageous now! Sickening.

http://www.egmnow.com/digitalnoob/343-industries-already-working-on-the-next-halo/

For crying out loud! You haven’t even given us a fully working version of this game yet and you’re already working on the next one! Can you please SLOW DOWN and actually take the time to appease your current fan base before gallivanting off to make a new game?

Is this the attitude we can expect from 343 in the future? “Never mind fixing our broken product, we will just make a new one”. This attitude is not acceptable, the majority of the problems with this game seem to be with issues that obviously were not tested properly before launch.

Bungie made games they wanted to play, 343 make games for Microsoft.

Despicable.

That is what every developer does, even Bungie. Halo 5 probably won’t be out in a few years anyway, so that is plenty of time to fix Halo 4. Doubt they’ll be able to do it, but still.

lol. They are defiantly stressing the series.

well, an early start is good…
if they start now, by the time H4 looses it’s luster, Halo 5 will be well polished and ready

just because they’re working on it now, doesn’t mean they’re going to release it that early…

I’m happy to hear this news. Halo 4 is a bad game. No amount of patching, fixing or overpriced map packs will make it fun or good anymore. I’d much rather 343i focus ALL their time on starting from scratch and actually making Halo 5 a great game that I will actually enjoy.

> For crying out loud! You haven’t even given us a fully working version of this game yet and you’re already working on the next one! Can you please SLOW DOWN and actually take the time to appease your current fan base before gallivanting off to make a new game?
>
> Is this the attitude we can expect from 343 in the future? “Never mind fixing our broken product, we will just make a new one”. This attitude is not acceptable, the majority of the problems with this game seem to be with issues that obviously were not tested properly before launch.
>
> Bungie made games they wanted to play, 343 make games for Microsoft.
>
> Despicable.

Welcome to modern game design late-comer, this is not news, most devs start working on their next project either after or before the release of a game.

The wonderful thing of having many employees is being able to delegate tasks to certain groups, having some work on post-launch content and updates, some on concepts for the next title, early design work and so on.

This way you can be working on your next project while also delivering updates to current ones! It’s amazing isn’t it?

Calm down, it’s not like they have their hole team working on it, just a small group for now. Halo 4 also took 3 years to be made, remember
P.S. this is normal and many devs do it

> That is what every developer does, even Bungie. Halo 5 probably won’t be out in a few years anyway, so that is plenty of time to fix Halo 4. Doubt they’ll be able to do it, but still.

It was a three year gap between Halo 2 and Halo 3.

This sounds like a CoD rotation, a new game every two years. BUNGIE, actually communicated with their community, actually responded to requests for change and most importantly, BUILT THEIR GAME AROUND WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

Halo 4 is a commercial abomination, manufactured for mass audiences. Jokes on 343, no one wants to play their game.

Today, 106k people played Halo 4 at peak time.

At the same time after Halo 3 came out, 230k people were playing, at a time when consoles were more expensive and less people had access to one.

You obviously have no idea how long games take to make. They have probably just started writing bits of the story…concept artists probably started working on stuff for 5 as soon as they weren’t needed for the development of 4…general rumblings of concepts. That’s all that means.

Halo 5 will NOT be released next year, even IF MS decides to launch their new console. Expect it 2014 at the earliest…plenty of time to get all the maps released, Spartan Ops through several seasons, changes to be made, and so on.

They don’t pay the artists to sit around and do nothing for months after the rest of the team has moved on to QA and bug fixes.

How on earth do I keep getting surprised by how horrible the community is?

They even complain when they’ve been told the next game is being worked on already, allowing it to come out sooner and hopefully in time for the next Xbox release.

> That is what every developer does, even Bungie. Halo 5 probably won’t be out in a few years anyway, so that is plenty of time to fix Halo 4. Doubt they’ll be able to do it, but still.

We should wait until after the TU #2 comes out. Judging from the buliten, that one will have balancing issues in it… So hopefully they don’t puss out and really level the playing field and balance/tweak a lot of the issues the community keeps griping about.

Truly outrageous, truly, truly outrageous…JEM!

Devs start working on the next thing when they’re done with the first thing. Surprise. Also, blame Microsoft… 343 is just their puppet.

OP, 343i/any developer won’t sit around with their thumb up their -Yoink-.

They have employees dedicated to matchmaking. Heck they even hired BravoMLG, and I’m betting he’s working on balancing/multiplayer stuff.

> > That is what every developer does, even Bungie. Halo 5 probably won’t be out in a few years anyway, so that is plenty of time to fix Halo 4. Doubt they’ll be able to do it, but still.
>
> It was a three year gap between Halo 2 and Halo 3.
>
> This sounds like a CoD rotation, a new game every two years.

CoD has a new game every year. Either way, 2-3 is my projected idea of how development will go.

> BUNGIE, actually communicated with their community, actually responded to requests for change and most importantly, BUILT THEIR GAME AROUND WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

Ha ha, no they didn’t. You should’ve seen the Optimatch Forums on Bungie.net when Halo 3 was in its prime, not many happy people there.

> Halo 4 is a commercial abomination, manufactured for mass audiences. Jokes on 343, no one wants to play their game.
>
> Today, 106k people played Halo 4 at peak time.

Kinda invalidates your “nobody wants to play their game” statement there.

> At the same time after Halo 3 came out, 230k people were playing, at a time when consoles were more expensive and <mark>less people had access to one.</mark>

Any real proof of this console deficiency? Seems like something made up to me.

There is departments working on Halo 5 and departments working on Halo 4. Have none of you ever worked for a company of any kind?

> It was a three year gap between Halo 2 and Halo 3.

Do you think Bungie was twiddling their collective thumbs during that time?

Work on Halo 3 started even before 2 was out the door.

> BUNGIE, actually communicated with their community, actually responded to requests for change and most importantly, BUILT THEIR GAME AROUND WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

So forgetful of REACH now? Reach and it’s mountains of problems and issues?

OP and pretty much a lot of people in this thread don’t seem to understand how video game design and development works. They think everyone in an entire studio works at the same time on a game from start to finish and then start working on another game only until their first game stops selling in retail and online DLC.

Here’s a thought for you, some teams of people (like concept artists) while working on Halo 4 probably got switched to working on DLC for Halo 4 or Halo 5 before Halo 4 even went gold.

Right now, some people are still working on Halo 4 bug fixes, some people are working on DLC, some people are taking their rightful vacation that they earned and others are working on Halo 5.

People need to make money to live, and businesses need to make money to keep making games. Don’t expect the entirety of 343i or Microsoft to sit idly by while a team of people work on patching Halo 4.

That’s akin to Valve having all their teams wait until Portal 2 is finished before they work on content for Team Fortress or L4D2. It’s an insane thought process.

And yet we have zero evidence to suggest that 343 is addressing the communities requests, only fixing “Spawning issues”.

It’s typical, fix whatever the bare minimum is and then leave it. They might even make it worse by actually bringing in a big TU to implement things we want, but it’ll be too late.

> It was a three year gap between Halo 2 and Halo 3.
>
> This sounds like a CoD rotation, a new game every two years. BUNGIE, actually communicated with their community, actually responded to requests for change and most importantly, BUILT THEIR GAME AROUND WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
>
> Halo 4 is a commercial abomination, manufactured for mass audiences. Jokes on 343, no one wants to play their game.
>
> Today, 106k people played Halo 4 at peak time.
>
> At the same time after Halo 3 came out, 230k people were playing, at a time when consoles were more expensive and less people had access to one.

CoD rotation is a new game every year, not every 2. Each developer has 2 years, but a new game is released every year. Back when Halo 3 was released, it didn’t have competition like it does now. For 2 months after it’s launch, it was THE game to play. CoD hadn’t yet exploded into the mass market cash cow it is now. Even after MW’s release, it wasn’t nearly as popular as it is now, so the two games fought for the top spot on the “Most played XBL” list.

Microsoft does want to pick up production a little on Halo, but have explicitly stated they don’t want it to be annual. They feel like 3 years between major Halo titles is too much and allows people to become disinterested in the franchise. They will most likely move to a 2 year cycle, but delays can be expected if they feel the quality isn’t there.

Also, it has been literally a month and a day since Halo 4 was released. Things take TIME. They are working on a second TU as we speak that will fix more balance issues and sandbox stuff. Just give them some time, or get out.