It really sickens me that people hold 343 up to a freaking perfect standard… Like -Yoink- guys, calm the -Yoink- down… Sometimes things don’t go according to plan and things get delayed… These developers are busting -Yoink- to get FREE content to you guys, And unless you ARE a game developer that has worked at a triple A studio, then I don’t think any of us have the right to criticism them for their delays
People have every right to be upset, especially when they promise monthly updates.
Me personally, I don’t mind as long as the content is functioning on arrival. We’ve all seen what issues occur when updates are rushed out - see MCC and the Forge blockers issue in the February update.
What annoys me is that they expect a single game to provide them with enough content to be the only game they play. I for one don’t mind since I’ll be playing the Division and once I’m done with that it should be out. Also it’s better that they release it and it actually works that it is broken and makes the game unplayable for a week.
I’m not holding them to a “perfect” standard, I’m holding them to the standards of Bungie circa Halo 3 and Reach. I make no apology for that.
I’d laugh so hard if they just up and pulled the plug.
Especially if 343 fans continued to defend that.
“Well things happen.”
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> I’m not holding them to a “perfect” standard, I’m holding them to the standards of Bungie circa Halo 3 and Reach. I make no apology for that.
This. We’re not holding them to a perfect standard. Just the standards that Bungie set for the Halo franchise. If anything, 343 seems to be trying to lower our standards seeing how many people defend Halo 5 coming out with less content than the past games and MCC being broken because “it was hard”.
If 343 can’t meet the standards we’ve come to expect from this franchise, then they have no business making Halo.
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> > I’m not holding them to a “perfect” standard, I’m holding them to the standards of Bungie circa Halo 3 and Reach. I make no apology for that.
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> This. We’re not holding them to a perfect standard. Just the standards that Bungie set for the Halo franchise. If anything, 343 seems to be trying to lower our standards seeing how many people defend Halo 5 coming out with less content than the past games and MCC being broken because “it was hard”.
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> If 343 can’t meet the standards we’ve come to expect from this franchise, then they have no business making Halo.
My standards have been met. Best multiplayer taken back to it roots since h3? Check weapon balance? Check. No irdnances? Check. No custom load outs. Check. Point is 343 has varying expectations to live up to, no one has single handed given 343 an expectation to meet. People also need to accept that 343 isn’t bungie, they don’t have to do what bungie did as both have different strengths and weaknesses (I’d say Bungies legacy has been tainted anyways since they left halo and are destroying themselves on destiny).
Point is multiplayer wise 343 has done a GREAT job imp when it comes to taking halo back to its roots when compared to reach and h4. Story wise it lacks, variety wise it lacks, testing wise it lacks but overall I like it. I play halo for multiplayer anyways, 343 met that for me. I know others have different expectations which is cool but saying 343 has to at least meet expectations like bungie did, well I could point out many issues with doing that but #1 like I said earlier, they’re not bungie lol. I’m not saying we need to let things slide, but there’s no good reason to compare 343 and bungie.
They’re a company who sells a product, of course you can criticize them.
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> What annoys me is that they expect a single game to provide them with enough content to be the only game they play. I for one don’t mind since I’ll be playing the Division and once I’m done with that it should be out. Also it’s better that they release it and it actually works that it is broken and makes the game unplayable for a week.
Many of us veterans are used to Halo being the game that provides everything we need in a game. That’s no longer the case.
Attribute it to other titles evolving AND halo lowering it’s standard.
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> > This. We’re not holding them to a perfect standard. Just the standards that Bungie set for the Halo franchise. If anything, 343 seems to be trying to lower our standards seeing how many people defend Halo 5 coming out with less content than the past games and MCC being broken because “it was hard”.
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> > If 343 can’t meet the standards we’ve come to expect from this franchise, then they have no business making Halo.
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> My standards have been met. Best multiplayer taken back to it roots since h3? Check weapon balance? Check. No irdnances? Check. No custom load outs. Check. Point is 343 has varying expectations to live up to, no one has single handed given 343 an expectation to meet. People also need to accept that 343 isn’t bungie, they don’t have to do what bungie did as both have different strengths and weaknesses (I’d say Bungies legacy has been tainted anyways since they left halo and are destroying themselves on destiny).
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> Point is multiplayer wise 343 has done a GREAT job imp when it comes to taking halo back to its roots when compared to reach and h4. Story wise it lacks, variety wise it lacks, testing wise it lacks but overall I like it. I play halo for multiplayer anyways, 343 met that for me. I know others have different expectations which is cool but saying 343 has to at least meet expectations like bungie did, well I could point out many issues with doing that but #1 like I said earlier, they’re not bungie lol. I’m not saying we need to let things slide, but there’s no good reason to compare 343 and bungie.
The things you say they have done right, such as gameplay, are often times simple decisions. They will follow what sells. They found load outs received negative feedback.
Everything you agree on that 343 is lacking are things that take the most effort. Storyline, variety, testing… All important, integral, and time consuming processes. And it should not be acceptable that 343 neglects those areas. Im not saying they do currently, but they’ve had an uphill battle ever since MCC. We have every right to be skeptical of not only the things they say, but the things they do.
i remember when Ghost recon advance warfighter came out on the xbox 360 it had everything I was looking for in a game. I played that for like 2years like every day for 10+ hrs per day. I just want a game like that again. sorry for going of topic. yer sure I like halo but none of the halo games have made me want to play it like that.
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> > What annoys me is that they expect a single game to provide them with enough content to be the only game they play. I for one don’t mind since I’ll be playing the Division and once I’m done with that it should be out. Also it’s better that they release it and it actually works that it is broken and makes the game unplayable for a week.
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> Many of us veterans are used to Halo being the game that provides everything we need in a game. That’s no longer the case.
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> Attribute it to other titles evolving AND halo lowering it’s standard.
2/3/Reach were the type of games that you’d never take the game out of your 360. The market of gaming has changed, that doesn’t require halo, as a brand, to lower its standards. Sadly, consumer retention isn’t as prized as it once was…
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> > > > I’m not holding them to a “perfect” standard, I’m holding them to the standards of Bungie circa Halo 3 and Reach. I make no apology for that.
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> > > This. We’re not holding them to a perfect standard. Just the standards that Bungie set for the Halo franchise. If anything, 343 seems to be trying to lower our standards seeing how many people defend Halo 5 coming out with less content than the past games and MCC being broken because “it was hard”.
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> > > If 343 can’t meet the standards we’ve come to expect from this franchise, then they have no business making Halo.
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> > My standards have been met. Best multiplayer taken back to it roots since h3? Check weapon balance? Check. No irdnances? Check. No custom load outs. Check. Point is 343 has varying expectations to live up to, no one has single handed given 343 an expectation to meet. People also need to accept that 343 isn’t bungie, they don’t have to do what bungie did as both have different strengths and weaknesses (I’d say Bungies legacy has been tainted anyways since they left halo and are destroying themselves on destiny).
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> > Point is multiplayer wise 343 has done a GREAT job imp when it comes to taking halo back to its roots when compared to reach and h4. Story wise it lacks, variety wise it lacks, testing wise it lacks but overall I like it. I play halo for multiplayer anyways, 343 met that for me. I know others have different expectations which is cool but saying 343 has to at least meet expectations like bungie did, well I could point out many issues with doing that but #1 like I said earlier, they’re not bungie lol. I’m not saying we need to let things slide, but there’s no good reason to compare 343 and bungie.
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> The things you say they have done right, such as gameplay, are often times simple decisions. They will follow what sells. They found load outs received negative feedback.
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> Everything you agree on that 343 is lacking are things that take the most effort. Storyline, variety, testing… All important, integral, and time consuming processes. And it should not be acceptable that 343 neglects those areas. Im not saying they do currently, but they’ve had an uphill battle ever since MCC. We have every right to be skeptical of not only the things they say, but the things they do.
I agree, I just don’t know why people want 343 to meet expectations like bungie. 343 isn’t bungie which I think is good, means things will be different. I’m not saying that 343 shouldn’t meet our expectations, I’m saying they don’t need to do what bungie did so long as what they do works. I agree 343 has a ways to go, I think h5 (personally anyways) is the first halo game where they’ve done good. If we compare h4 and h5 there’s quite the difference (sadly h4 beats h5 in variety and options though). A lot of those changes were due to feedback so they’re listening, but it can seem like they’re randomly selecting what to pick and what to ignore fixing. I agree 343 still has that uphill battle, I’m actually ok with their progress tho after the “tough love” with MCC and h4s (campaign was fine) multiplayer.
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> > > What annoys me is that they expect a single game to provide them with enough content to be the only game they play. I for one don’t mind since I’ll be playing the Division and once I’m done with that it should be out. Also it’s better that they release it and it actually works that it is broken and makes the game unplayable for a week.
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> > Many of us veterans are used to Halo being the game that provides everything we need in a game. That’s no longer the case.
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> > Attribute it to other titles evolving AND halo lowering it’s standard.
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> 2/3/Reach were the type of games that you’d never take the game out of your 360. The market of gaming has changed, that doesn’t require halo, as a brand, to lower its standards. Sadly, consumer retention isn’t as prized as it once was…
I’ll agree with everything except h2 and reach being in my 360 all the time lol. Gaming has changed in the industry but also to your average gamers mindset. Not as much people want to stick to just one game like they did back in say h3 era.(h2 has best retention by the way).
You’re right. Halo 5 is great. It set a good stage for halo 6. We just need a full feature set on launch now.
I don’t feel it’s wrong, though, for players to use the same standard they had for Bungie. Bungie was in charge for almost a decade. That sets a lot of standards. I mean hell, they are the ones who set the standard for Halo as a whole.
The standards that people hold 343 to are that they’re making Xbox’s flagship title, which… means making it the best game on Xbox. You do realize that no other game on Xbox has the same requirements as Halo, right? That literally no other developer needs to work quite as hard on their Xbox games as 343 does on Halo?
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> > > > What annoys me is that they expect a single game to provide them with enough content to be the only game they play. I for one don’t mind since I’ll be playing the Division and once I’m done with that it should be out. Also it’s better that they release it and it actually works that it is broken and makes the game unplayable for a week.
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> > > Many of us veterans are used to Halo being the game that provides everything we need in a game. That’s no longer the case.
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> > > Attribute it to other titles evolving AND halo lowering it’s standard.
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> > 2/3/Reach were the type of games that you’d never take the game out of your 360. The market of gaming has changed, that doesn’t require halo, as a brand, to lower its standards. Sadly, consumer retention isn’t as prized as it once was…
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> I’ll agree with everything except h2 and reach being in my 360 all the time lol. Gaming has changed in the industry but also to your average gamers mindset. Not as much people want to stick to just one game like they did back in say h3 era.(h2 has best retention by the way).
lol touche, I do wonder if a product like H3 was produced- excessive content, replayable story, 1-50 ranking system would it be effective in this market?
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> > > I’m not holding them to a “perfect” standard, I’m holding them to the standards of Bungie circa Halo 3 and Reach. I make no apology for that.
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> > This. We’re not holding them to a perfect standard. Just the standards that Bungie set for the Halo franchise. If anything, 343 seems to be trying to lower our standards seeing how many people defend Halo 5 coming out with less content than the past games and MCC being broken because “it was hard”.
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> > If 343 can’t meet the standards we’ve come to expect from this franchise, then they have no business making Halo.
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> My standards have been met. Best multiplayer taken back to it roots since h3? Check weapon balance? Check. No irdnances? Check. No custom load outs. Check. Point is 343 has varying expectations to live up to, no one has single handed given 343 an expectation to meet. People also need to accept that 343 isn’t bungie, they don’t have to do what bungie did as both have different strengths and weaknesses (I’d say Bungies legacy has been tainted anyways since they left halo and are destroying themselves on destiny).
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> Point is multiplayer wise 343 has done a GREAT job imp when it comes to taking halo back to its roots when compared to reach and h4. Story wise it lacks, variety wise it lacks, testing wise it lacks but overall I like it. I play halo for multiplayer anyways, 343 met that for me. I know others have different expectations which is cool but saying 343 has to at least meet expectations like bungie did, well I could point out many issues with doing that but #1 like I said earlier, they’re not bungie lol. I’m not saying we need to let things slide, but there’s no good reason to compare 343 and bungie.
Multiplayer-wise, yes, 343 have done well, but I’m talking overall. 343 seems to only be able to cater to one extreme at a time. Halo 4 was super casual, Halo 5 is a stronger push on the competitive side, neglecting almost all other fun modes we, as Halo fans, have come to expect from Halo as a franchise.
I expect 343 to be able to cater to a wide range of fans like Bungie used to. I don’t recall Bungie ever needing to focus on just one group specifically. They packed the game with content and let the community fly with it and make it their own. I don’t feel like we can do that with 343, the game feels so restricted.
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> It really sickens me that people hold 343 up to a freaking perfect standard… Like -Yoink- guys, calm the -Yoink- down… Sometimes things don’t go according to plan and things get delayed… These developers are busting -Yoink- to get FREE content to you guys, And unless you ARE a game developer that has worked at a triple A studio, then I don’t think any of us have the right to criticism them for their delays
Sure that seems to be a common problem but many tend to think the same of Bungie when they released Halo Reach. Bungie only started making major mistakes when Reach came out but 343i continued to make Bungie’s mistakes. Everyone has a right to criticism, I have my own ‘free’ mods and have experience in the games industry but that doesn’t give 343i a ‘get out of free’ card for every time they make mistakes…the games industry is brutal. If 343i continues to make mistakes then they should hear about it, everyone is buying their games and keeping them in jobs while there’s countless artists out there that want to get into the games industry with no jobs so 343i employers should be proud that they were lucky enough to be employed. Whether a games studio comes from a AAA quality studio or not should be irrelevant…many talented artists out there are doing a better job on sites like Moddb than what 343i is currently doing, even fans are fixing games like Kotor/Sadx while the dev’s do nothing.
343i may have messed up Halo 4,5 and still left Halo MCC broken but it’s their job to sort those problems out, they really haven’t done any of that, instead they released updates for H5 that are still unbalanced while things like off-line modes still nowhere to be seen, Halo MCC still has plenty of problems that are still unresolved and there’s a genuine concern about if Halo 6 will be good or not because of the current direction that 343i is taking the franchise.
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> > > > I’m not holding them to a “perfect” standard, I’m holding them to the standards of Bungie circa Halo 3 and Reach. I make no apology for that.
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> > > This. We’re not holding them to a perfect standard. Just the standards that Bungie set for the Halo franchise. If anything, 343 seems to be trying to lower our standards seeing how many people defend Halo 5 coming out with less content than the past games and MCC being broken because “it was hard”.
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> > > If 343 can’t meet the standards we’ve come to expect from this franchise, then they have no business making Halo.
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> > My standards have been met. Best multiplayer taken back to it roots since h3? Check weapon balance? Check. No irdnances? Check. No custom load outs. Check. Point is 343 has varying expectations to live up to, no one has single handed given 343 an expectation to meet. People also need to accept that 343 isn’t bungie, they don’t have to do what bungie did as both have different strengths and weaknesses (I’d say Bungies legacy has been tainted anyways since they left halo and are destroying themselves on destiny).
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> > Point is multiplayer wise 343 has done a GREAT job imp when it comes to taking halo back to its roots when compared to reach and h4. Story wise it lacks, variety wise it lacks, testing wise it lacks but overall I like it. I play halo for multiplayer anyways, 343 met that for me. I know others have different expectations which is cool but saying 343 has to at least meet expectations like bungie did, well I could point out many issues with doing that but #1 like I said earlier, they’re not bungie lol. I’m not saying we need to let things slide, but there’s no good reason to compare 343 and bungie.
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> Multiplayer-wise, yes, 343 have done well, but I’m talking overall. 343 seems to only be able to cater to one extreme at a time. Halo 4 was super casual, Halo 5 is a stronger push on the competitive side, neglecting almost all other fun modes we, as Halo fans, have come to expect from Halo as a franchise.
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> I expect 343 to be able to cater to a wide range of fans like Bungie used to. I don’t recall Bungie ever needing to focus on just one group specifically. They packed the game with content and let the community fly with it and make it their own. I don’t feel like we can do that with 343, the game feels so restricted.
Thats a good point, In 4 they went super causal, appeal to the masses with no competitive, visual ranking system. The game was also packed with content and playlists at launch. 5 they went super competitive, with a forgettable campaign and a serious lack of content expected in halo.