You have destroyed matchmaking for the casual gamer by adding things like pro to infinity slayer,making the AR WAY to powerful,and making it impossible to pick and choose a good game type with your current matchmaking by banning players who leave games in progress that they dont want to play. The good thing is its not to late to fix it. I can understand making the AR more powerful to compete with the BR and DMR but i feel you made it almost a super weapon, im not asking you to change this. What I am asking is for seperate playlists for gamers who dont want to play pro(and/or objective games in doubles).I feel by making it optional to play pro you would make your game more fun to play for the casual gamer. I aslo feel that you dont listen to the few gamers who actually still play your game. I have seen countless forum topics from people who feel the same way about your playlist and it seems they are being ignored. I just recently quit playing halo 4 do to the fact that it takes a good 5-10 minutes to find a match and then 9 out of 10 times its pro or swat. I dont have the time to sit there waiting on a game for over half an hour when i could pop in COD and join the playlist that I want and be in a good game in under five. SO until you can at least fix your matchmaking i will not be playing halo, sorry to say but you have lost yet another player. 
> You have destroyed matchmaking for the casual gamer by adding things like pro to infinity slayer,making the AR WAY to powerful,and making it impossible to pick and choose a good game type with your current matchmaking by banning players who leave games in progress that they dont want to play.
The AR really isn’t that powerful. It can now contend with the other weapons which all got buffed, and that’s as it should be. I know we’re all systematically used to having the AR being worthless, but I think it’s good that people who want to use it and compete with it finally can.
Range needs to be toned down a smidgen though.
As for the banning: When you leave, you leave your teammate’s down a player ruining their fun. You also likely damage the fun of anyone who JiP’s into your place. Don’t want a ban? Don’t ruin other peoples fun. (There are exceptions to this, but then again I doubt those exceptions happen 5 matches in a row).
> The good thing is its not to late to fix it. I can understand making the AR more powerful to compete with the BR and DMR but i feel you made it almost a super weapon, im not asking you to change this.
Eh, not quite a super weapon but it’s consistency at range is a bit iffy. Someone ought to do tests to see just how powerful it is.
> What I am asking is for seperate playlists for gamers who dont want to play pro(and/or objective games in doubles). I feel by making it optional to play pro you would make your game more fun to play for the casual gamer.
I don’t disagree with you here. Nobody should be forced to play a gametype they don’t want to play (in terms of slayer pro, objective games belong in doubles and there’s no point in two seperate playlists). That said, this game can not possibly support the 2-4 more playlists that you are suggesting.
The population right now is abysmal, to open any more playlists would dilute more players, increase search times and make CSR essentially pointless (which it already is).
> I aslo feel that you dont listen to the few gamers who actually still play your game. I have seen countless forum topics from people who feel the same way about your playlist and it seems they are being ignored.
Here’s the thing, you likely joined the forums after the given changes right? After all the changes that were made to the playlists and the buffs that happened?
The reason these things were changed was due to the community asking for them. It was by community demand that these things happened, so they aren’t really ignoring us. The reason you are being ignored now, is because to undo what they have done doesn’t make any sense. Like I said above, the game can’t support more playlists. Were they to get rid of pro entirely instead, then there would be yet another community uproar from people who don’t like Infinity.
Same with objective in doubles, although to a smaller degree.
You aren’t being ignored, there just isn’t anything they could do.
> I just recently quit playing halo 4 do to the fact that it takes a good 5-10 minutes to find a match and then 9 out of 10 times its pro or swat. I dont have the time to sit there waiting on a game for over half an hour when i could pop in COD and join the playlist that I want and be in a good game in under five. SO until you can at least fix your matchmaking i will not be playing halo, sorry to say but you have lost yet another player.
Adding more playlists would only serve to make search times longer. What you ask is impossible without at least double the population we have now, and that’s never going to happen.
It sucks, but it’s 343i’s own fault for fundamentally changing the game and then forcing us to play on those new settings for 6 months.
so halo is basically catering to the pro players and saying screw you casual players? 343 is going to be the end of halo, because only a few will remain to play there crappy playlists and you cant keep a gaming company running on the few pro players out there. sad to see one of my all time favorite games that i grew up with go down in flames the way it is.
and as for the banning,i cant help it if i join infinity slayer to play god forbid infinity slayer and get thrown into a swat or pro game that i dont want to play. so basically i am to suffer through games for the sake of other people? to me in the long run the forcefullness of play this game type or get banned, alone will kill matchmaking.
Nope, it’s pretty much to late. Unless you like fiesta slayer (which seems to be what people at 343 love) Halo 4 is junk.
i dont want to give up on this game because i love the competitiveness and the strategy, but the lack of consistency in game types is just unnerving and it angers me more times then not. The fact that they try and bunch pro players with social players is a terrible just bad idea. I’m not terrible at this game but im not pro either and the fact that they don’t seperate the two just doesnt make sense to me. Bungie made it work with their social and pro playlists so why couldnt 343? I know its because of the lack of players now a day but can you blame people for leaving? i certainly cant, when you have multiplayer competitors out there such as COD who cater to both social and pro players. Basically 343 screwed themselves out of the gate when they didnt create playlists for social and pro. Bungie i miss you soooo much!! cant wait for Destiny 
> so halo is basically catering to the pro players and saying screw you casual players? 343 is going to be the end of halo, because only a few will remain to play there crappy playlists and you cant keep a gaming company running on the few pro players out there. sad to see one of my all time favorite games that i grew up with go down in flames the way it is.
You do realise this entire game was designed from the ground up for the casual players right? Introducing Pro variants isn’t exactly saying “Screw You” to the casual community considering that the casual community still has their gametypes in the game.
Up until Throwdown was implemented, the screw you was towards the Competitive side of things. Now it’s even, as it should be.
As for the “Only a few will remain” bit, only a few remain as it is. This game had 480,000 players on its second day. It is now at 30,000, and has been ideling there since long before Pro was introduced to Infinity.
Do keep in mind you aren’t the only one playing this game. I don’t like infinity and you don’t like pro, but for the sake of search times the playlists are thrown together. That’s just how it is. I’m sorry you think that’s what is causing it to go down in flames.
> and as for the banning,i cant help it if i join infinity slayer to play god forbid infinity slayer and get thrown into a swat or pro game that i dont want to play. so basically i am to suffer through games for the sake of other people? to me in the long run the forcefullness of play this game type or get banned, alone will kill matchmaking.
SWAT isn’t in the Infinity Slayer playlist and never has been. I don’t like getting thrown into an Infinity game, but I play it anyway because I know people enjoy it even if I don’t.
> so basically i am to suffer through games for the sake of other people?
Alright, two things here:
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People who didn’t like Infinity suffered throug it for 6 months with very literally no other option (aside from MLG/Throwdown). I think you can suffer the occaisonal pro game.
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That was an incredibly selfish sentence. Yes, you are to suffer through a couple games for the sake of people who enjoy them. Or do you think it’s only you who should be happy and the game ought to cater to your image?
> i dont want to give up on this game because i love the competitiveness and the strategy, but the lack of consistency in game types is just unnerving and it angers me more times then not. The fact that they try and bunch pro players with social players is a terrible just bad idea.
Like I said, I don’t disagree.
> I’m not terrible at this game but im not pro either and the fact that they don’t seperate the two just doesnt make sense to me. Bungie made it work with their social and pro playlists so why couldnt 343?
Because if you were to ask me, 343i has absolutely no idea what the community wants. They could change it now, but it’s too late. The damage has been done and people are suffering for their shortsightedness.
> I know its because of the lack of players now a day but can you blame people for leaving? i certainly cant, when you have multiplayer competitors out there such as COD who cater to both social and pro players. Basically 343 screwed themselves out of the gate when they didnt create playlists for social and pro. Bungie i miss you soooo much!! cant wait for Destiny
Oh trust me, I don’t blame you. I don’t play anymore either (mainly because my disc is broken, but that’s besides the point).
CoD devs know how to handle there community a whole lot better than 343i handeled theirs, which is strange considering one of 343i’s lead designers was Frank O’conner, Halo 2’s community manager.
Its just sad to see this game fall so far over such simple things they should have implemented at game release. I cant honestly trust 343 to produce a good halo 5 after this game. Sad times for halo players. I wasnt trying to be “selfish” saying “so basically i am to suffer through games for the sake of other people?” im just saying that no other multiplayer game has bans in place for people who leave games. So why would the game thats at the bottom of the barrel on players use a deterant to keep players in games? just doesnt make sense to me to punish the very few players you have left.
> so halo is basically catering to the pro players and saying screw you casual players? 343 is going to be the end of halo, because only a few will remain to play there crappy playlists and you cant keep a gaming company running on the few pro players out there. sad to see one of my all time favorite games that i grew up with go down in flames the way it is.
just because its called pro doesnt mean its difficult to play. It just doesnt have the completely ludicrous custom loadouts and personal ordinance that has so completely ruined the Halo experience for most of us. So when you say it caters to the non-casuals you fail to understand that Infinity actually was forced upon traditional Halo fans first. We had nothing to fall back on and now all you have to do is share a playlist. The complaining by anti-pro crowd is selfish. And, as has been mentioned a million times Pro has always been part of the Slayer playlist in every Halo game.
343 isnt going to be the end of Halo for your reasons. If they hadnt butchered the “Slayer” settings to hell I bet this games population wouldnt be crap.
What I cant stand and what has caused me to shelve this game is the fact that 343i seems bent on giving every single player a power weapon and a vehicle. These new rapid spawns coupled with personal ordinance makes this game an even more chaotic, random, unenjoyable mess.
My point is that the player should have the choice,(like in halo3) of what game type to play. The fact that they force you to play pro when you dont by enforcing it with bans kills the game for me. Thats all im trying to say. Is it really to much to ask that if you buy the game that you should be able to play infinity slayer when you want and pro when you want?
dmr overpowered and flood mode ruined custom games because the flood can’t carry guns
lord of war what are you talking about. in halo 3 playing social slayer…the biggest playlist for casual gameplay you were forced to play a specific map and gametype and if you didn’t like it you could veto and it gave you another map and gametype.
in social slayer you could play slayer, brs, rockets, duals and i’m sure there was splockets at one stage. there was a VARIETY in ONE PLAYLIST which offered a more varied experience.
you’re complaining that you don’t get to play your preferred experience 24/7 yet in halo 3 you never could play your experience 24/7…
in BTB there was objective…1 flag, assault, ctf, territories, 1 bomb.
multiteam had a VARIETY, slayer, obj on a VARIETY of maps
as did every other playlist
and just before i finish my rant, loadouts and ordnance don’t let you play your way, its either you (loadouts) or the game (ordnance) thats forcing a playstyle upon you, being able to play your way would be having a variety of things within a map and basing your positioning and strategy on whats contained within the map and how YOU DECIDE how to USE it.
no matter how hard you try, people can’t dispute the fact that halo 4 is by far the less popular game out of the main halo series at this point. It is not even a year old and we are seeing this low of numbers. There is a reason for that. I tried reach and halo 3 the other week, and in the playlists I did. Both of those games had more people playing those playlists then in halo4. Now I do know this is 343 and not bungie, we will never see another bungie halo. Also halo will never be as good as it was in 2 and 3. Sadly, crap happens. Bring on 2014 and Destiny!
“Yes, you are to suffer through a couple games for the sake of people who enjoy them” I paid 60$ for this game. I don’t have to suffer a thing if I chose not to. No one who paid for this game should have to suffer playing something they don’t want. You do not want infinity, fine, you should not suffer and have to play that either. People don’t want pro/swat/ objective wtf ever it does not matter 1 bit. Anyone who spent their money on this should not be forced to deal with something they do not like. Regardless of what anyone thinks. We are the gamers. We pay for this. WE spend our time doing this instead of getting laid (lol) We should not have to put up with anything that We do not prefer. Simple
Halo is failing because its starting to not cater to casuals?
Pretty sure it was the other way around.
There is no way there’s more people on halo 3 then 4. I check all the time, so I’m not sure what your comparing here, did you check the numbers at a peak hour for halo 3, and like 4 in the morning for halo 4 or something? lol
I never said that every plalist, halo 3 is more popular. only the ones I played, in team slayer on halo 3. there was 1400 something playing at one point, when I had checked halo 4 only 40 mins later. it was showing not even 1k playing infinity slayer. same thing with reach, I went and looked, there was more people playing team slayer on halo reach then halo 4
> Halo is failing because its starting to not cater to casuals?
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> Pretty sure it was the other way around.
Casual, random gameplay is what killed this game. Most people expected H4 not Reach 2.
> You have destroyed matchmaking for the casual gamer.
Halo 2 and Halo 3 only had a single ultra-casual playlist.
The social settings were the same as the base ones, but without ranks.
Slayer Pro is likewise similar to Halo 3, main difference being radar.
The vast majority of casual gameplay took place in custom games.
TLDR Halo 4 is the first game where the casual gamer actually has significant ground in matchmaking. And being labeled ‘pro’ does not automatically make it pro.
> Reach 2.
I expected Reach 2. This game, however, is not Reach 2.
> “Yes, you are to suffer through a couple games for the sake of people who enjoy them” I paid 60$ for this game. I don’t have to suffer a thing if I chose not to. No one who paid for this game should have to suffer playing something they don’t want. You do not want infinity, fine, you should not suffer and have to play that either. People don’t want pro/swat/ objective wtf ever it does not matter 1 bit. Anyone who spent their money on this should not be forced to deal with something they do not like. Regardless of what anyone thinks. We are the gamers. We pay for this. WE spend our time doing this instead of getting laid (lol) We should not have to put up with anything that We do not prefer. Simple
Should you have to? No, but what’s the point of increasing search times and decreasing the effect of CSR just so people can play two almost identical playlists? Besides, it’s been like this in almost every Halo. Halo 3 had Slayer BR’s and Slayer AR starts. It had rockets and splockets and team duals.
Reach had Slayer Pro in the main playlists as well. It’s really nothing new to Halo.
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That’s not entirely true. Halo 3 had Ranked/Social, with Social being entirely casual (Big team, rumble pit, objective, slayer etc.).
Reach was also basically entirely casual aside from Arena and MLG.