The skill gap stays the same if only certain playlists have no bloom. The skill gap is only different in that playlist. By having no bloom in certain playlists, the community will just be split more. I was forced to deal with bloom’s nasty randomness for a year, I speak for MOST of the community, yes MOST, because if you haven’t played Halo before Halo 3 your opinion shouldn’t even matter. I don’t consider a freshman in High School who played Reach first part of the community in which 343 said themselves they listen to. 343i should be hearing out to veterans who have a brain, meaning you know that bloom isn’t Halo, and it should be removed completely, not just from a few playlists. Bad players shouldn’t be rewarded for being bad, they should get better, just like how other veteran players did in the original trilogy. 343i’s mission statement was “to keep Halo, ‘Halo’” but how can you keep Reach “Halo” if the community continues to split like this, and these changes that actually make the game feel like Halo again are only in certain playlists?
The community will be split even more because those who, for some crazy reason, like bloom would play bloom playlists, while others play no bloom playlists. More arguments will arise within the community, and back then the Halo community wasn’t as bad as this. I thought the arguments about BR spread was bad, but this is just on a whole new level. In every title update in Halo, the changes were universal, not in certain playlists. Please consider making no bloom universal. Everyone at 343i is a package sent from the heavens with everything they are doing, but why continue to split the community? Change is good sometimes, but Reach wasn’t just a change, it just changed Halo to the point where some people can’t even call this game Halo anymore.
Introduction to AAs that breaks games (even sprint), and bloom along with sword block and no bleed through just change mechanics too much. I feel like this game was Bungie’s middle finger to microsoft, but I hope 343i doesn’t direct that finger to the veteran players, the people who started the Halo community. The waypoint forums seem to have people with more brains, so hopefully we can get mature responses here.
I understand your point and I LOVE zero bloom but think for a sec. How broken would team snipers be if no bloom was implemented? Your 4-shot pistol would no longer be for finishing a kill, it would become much more viable as a primary weapon. Even if you were to get a body shot with your sniper and pull out your pistol to finish, the pistol user would kill you in the time it took for you to hit the body shot and begin to pull out your pistol.
There would need to be some serious testing and balancing before every playlist had no bloom.
It has been stated already, 343 will not apply the TU changes across the board. Like it or not, there are players out there that enjoy Reach the way it is. Believe me when I say that if 343 decides to remove bloom and AA’s entirely from matchmaking, there will be an uproar. I say this because I was one of those who thought 343 is gonna remove everything that distinguishes Reach just because of what the minority said and change it like it was Halo 3. I said to myself that if they apply this changes across the board, I would feel ripped off and would sell Reach. Thankfully, Frankie was on the forums discussing this and wrote that the changes will only affect certain playlist, and not across the board. So that players that enjoy Reach’s mechanics can still play Vanilla Reach, while others will have this changes in it.
Of course, I do like the changes that the TU is bringing (AL nerf, Active Camo nerf, Zero Bloom, etc) and I enjoy them. But
I pre-ordered and spend $60 to play Reach, not the same game I’ve played for 3 years.
But why not split the community if it means both parties can be happy? When Anniversary rolls in, and maybe sooner than that, there will be a playlist subcatagory dedicated to a classic experience. That gives anyone who desires such experience a place to have that. And maybe sometime soon 343 will try to fix bloom, like how they fixed Camo and Armor Lock. I think they’re going the right direction in trying to get as many people satisfied as they can. But it’s highly unlikely that they’d force the classic experience on everyone because (and this is said a buttload) the Reach lovers, the casuals as they’re sometimes called, are the playing majority. It’s irrelevant from a standpoint of sales demographics if they’re “freshmen” to the series, they’re going to be very mad (and likely not want to buy another game by 343) if a gameplay experience preferred or recommended by a playing minority is forced upon all.
I stopped caring about OP’s opinion about it when his entire argument amounts to “oh, we think it should be THIS way so our opinion is obviously more important and carries more weight than the people who happen to disagree”.
> I stopped caring about OP’s opinion about it when his entire argument amounts to “oh, we think it should be THIS way so our opinion is obviously more important and carries more weight than the people who happen to disagree”.
> I stopped caring about OP’s opinion about it when his entire argument amounts to “oh, we think it should be THIS way so our opinion is obviously more important and carries more weight than the people who happen to disagree”.
Well he didn’t say that, he said that if you haven’t played Halo 3 your opinion is invalid, which if you think about it is. I mean ofcourse you don’t have a problem with bloom if you haven’t played Halo without it. That’s like saying this guy’s ugly as shazz but you’ve never actually seen the d00d. If you have played any halo without bloom (halo 2, and 3) and you do like it ok your oppinion matters on the subject.
> > I stopped caring about OP’s opinion about it when his entire argument amounts to “oh, we think it should be THIS way so our opinion is obviously more important and carries more weight than the people who happen to disagree”.
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> I second this.
I think the game is way past getting no bloom universal. It’s too big of a change for 343 to handle, and it would effect too many people who have gotten used to the way things are.
As much as I LOVE zero bloom, I just don’t think that’ll ever happen. I’d much rather have them look real hard at the fact that many veteran players are angry that DMR bloom was added in the first place and use that to make Halo 4 a little more like Halo 3.
No bloom seems OP without any adjustment to the rate of fire. They have to lower RoF on those weapon affected by this change or they will dominate the game (I’m looking at you, Magnum).
-We’ve removed Bloom from this player’s favourite playlist. Now, let’s watch as Johnny Rockhard attempts to get across the first area of Boneyard on Invasion as an elite-
Maybe if I… Nope. Dead.
How about if I bring Invisibi- Nope. Dead.
If I can just get over to the needle rifle maybe I ca- Nope. Dead.
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SKUNKED.
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-Now, let’s watch as Johnny Rockhard sadly packs Reach away and plays Gears of War 3 instead-
> I understand your point and I LOVE zero bloom but think for a sec. How broken would team snipers be if no bloom was implemented? Your 4-shot pistol would no longer be for finishing a kill, it would become much more viable as a primary weapon. Even if you were to get a body shot with your sniper and pull out your pistol to finish, the pistol user would kill you in the time it took for you to hit the body shot and begin to pull out your pistol.
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> There would need to be some serious testing and balancing before every playlist had no bloom.
Sniper rifles dont use bloom, it has a RoF which is what the reticule shows you ( silly to be honest ). Reach Sniper fire’s at the same rate as Halo 2/3 etc. Slower movement speed’s already make the sniper’s playlist a joke.
I love Zero Bloom myself although a slight capped RoF is needed. Bloom is broken, the proof is in the game, its obviously it’s based on randomness and luck. Skilled player’s should be rewarded rather than bad players being rewarded constantly due to luck.
> -We’ve removed Bloom from this player’s favourite playlist. Now, let’s watch as Johnny Rockhard attempts to get across the first area of Boneyard on Invasion as an elite-
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> Maybe if I… Nope. Dead.
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> How about if I bring Invisibi- Nope. Dead.
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> If I can just get over to the needle rifle maybe I ca- Nope. Dead.
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> SKUNKED.
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> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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> -Now, let’s watch as Johnny Rockhard sadly packs Reach away and plays Gears of War 3 instead-
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> …Horde mode I guess. I miss Invasion. ;__;
Cool story, bro …no seriously that was pretty funny haha
Dw while I think they’re putting 85% bloom in every playlist, I’m pretty sure only Classic (and MLG) will have 0% bloom and possibly SWAT as well. Don’t have any quote to back that up though sorry, it’s just the impression that I’ve gotten from the bulletins.
It would just be a lack of consistency in its finest form. So after Halo Anniversary launches, will we have 2 versions of Reach in matchmaking?
Remember the TU changes that were applied to Halo 2? These were universal. The glitches and fixes with the game. But there was a key change to the melee. However, it was applied to the entire game.
I understand that the beta hoppers are releasing next week. But thats just it, they’re beta hoppers. Those playlists won’t stick around forever. 343 is just testing the new mechanics to see the community feedback on how its played. When will we see the real Title update?
Take a look at the Title Update changes in Halo 3.
When will see these kind of changes in Reach? Surely there are bugs/glitches in Reach that haven’t even been addressed. One of the most common ones (I am guilty of abusing) is with the passenger seat of a Revenant with a Sniper Rifle. Yep, just sit there in BTB and headshot opponents from a good ways away while aiming slightly above their head and its an auto
headshot.
So why can’t I see the Fileshares of other players in pregame matchmaking lobbies? Isn’t that the whole point of a Fileshare is to share content with other gamers? Nah, I have to wait until the game is over and back out. THEN go through the carnage stats and view their file shares from there. Not like Halo 3 where we could just gander at screen shots before the game happened.
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There are many other bugs/glitches in Reach (some we don’t even know about - Achronos has spoken :P) but when will these core issues be addressed? Let me list some :
> -Can’t access players fileshares in Pregame lobby.
> -Invasion teammates are impossible to see (besides Battle Bro)
> -Living Dead betrayal glitch - putting booting back into infection
> -Fixing the Gauss Hog so it can’t shoot through Forge Objects
> -In Invasion - you cannot see if your teammate is carrying an objective unless its your battle bro.
> -When scrolling through files, sometimes you get double of everything.
> -Enormous framerate lag when scrolling through the armory.
> -Plasma Launcher despawns after 8 seconds of being dropped.
> -When vehicles are set to “indestructable”, the driver doesn’t take damage.
> -Hammer block (yeah its there)AKA Juggernaut
> -Character Gender may change if set to female in Invasion
> -Host migrations cause Armor Abilities to dissapear
> -In custom infection, if a zombie has 1 life and dies - the game will not end.
> -Spree medals are reset during a host migration
> -meleeing a warthog gunner does no damage
> -Revanent passenger increased bullet magnetism (Revanent Sniping)
> -Split screen text blocks over half of player 3’s screen
> -Rocket Launcher evade animation doesn’t work for Spartans
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There are many more. However, I would think since the 85% bloom that 343 is testing in the beta playlists surely would jump over to the regular playlists in time. I can only hope to see that. We still have no details on smaller stuff like this
I just want matchmaking to be consistant. Thoughts?
I have have never liked bloom, but I have been playing Reach for over a year. I have gotten used to it. I still prefer zero bloom, but after playing zero bloom, I can how 85% bloom will be perfect. I wish No Bloom applied to swat games.
> I have have never liked bloom, but I have been playing Reach for over a year. I have gotten used to it. I still prefer zero bloom, but after playing zero bloom, I can how 85% bloom will be perfect. I wish No Bloom applied to swat games.
Agreed, although I’m worried how that would affect the Magnum since its high RoF means that you would be able to bodyshot people 6x and still kill them incredibly fast.
> It has been stated already, 343 will not apply the TU changes across the board. Like it or not, there are players out there that enjoy Reach the way it is. Believe me when I say that if 343 decides to remove bloom and AA’s entirely from matchmaking, there will be an uproar. I say this because I was one of those who thought 343 is gonna remove everything that distinguishes Reach just because of what the minority said and change it like it was Halo 3. I said to myself that if they apply this changes across the board, I would feel ripped off and would sell Reach. Thankfully, Frankie was on the forums discussing this and wrote that the changes will only affect certain playlist, and not across the board. So that players that enjoy Reach’s mechanics can still play Vanilla Reach, while others will have this changes in it.
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> Of course, I do like the changes that the TU is bringing (AL nerf, Active Camo nerf, Zero Bloom, etc) and I enjoy them. But
> I pre-ordered and spend $60 to play Reach, not the same game I’ve played for 3 years.
ZB makes every other weapon redundant. They cannot keep up with the fast pase shooting. People hardly even use the DMR in ZB. It’s fun, but it doesn’t need to be in the rest of MM. When I payed for Reach, I wasn’t hoping for it to be changed into a completely new game.
> I stopped caring about OP’s opinion about it when his entire argument amounts to “oh, we think it should be THIS way so our opinion is obviously more important and carries more weight than the people who happen to disagree”.
As much as I hate bloom and never want to play with it again you cannot just make it universal. As painful as it is to except, there are many people who like bloom.
