343, please get the lore right next time

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1: Mark VI armor: I get having a change in artistic vision, so the visual look was fine. But then they showed the Chief and the other S-IIs in Mark-VI armor in the past, they just totally flubbed that one. And then, they have an unlockable Mk-VI for War Games, which looks more like the original Mk-VI then the one in game.

2: Opening text for Dawn: It says “2257 - 4 years after Halo event”. Uhm, no, it’s 4 years after the Ark event. It would have been 5 years after the Halo event, which took place in 9/19/2552. A minor gripe, but you can’t talk about how much attention you are going to pay to the story, then mess up a simple small detail like that.

3: Covenant truce?: What the hell was the Chief talking about? What truce? The only truce they had was with the Elites. They were still fighting the Covenant even while the Flood invaded. Again, another small detail that the laymen might not pick up on, but to someone who has played all the Halo games, this is kind of bothersome.

These are so far the only ones I can see. While not game breaking, they are irritating. So please, in Halo 5, actually pay attention to detail. Unless you’re just trying to pull a whole retcon, in which case, don’t try to patronize me and say that this is “for the fans”. Because if it was, you’d honor what Bungie did and stay true to the lore they created, rather then just ignoring what they did and making up your own.

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1: Personal gripes, not actual problem. Armour is armour.

2: The Halo event includes the Arc. What does the arc do? It controls the feakin halos. How do you destroy the Arc? With a Halo.

3: Simple Extrapolation. If the chief disappeared with the elites as allies, one could assume that the elites would go off and try to get the other Covenant Races to see that they were lied to, and as such would either stop fighting, or just ignore it all together. Both of which can be considered a “truce” or a “no fire”

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1: No, not a personal gripe. The S-II’s were wearing the same armor as the Chief. The Chief wears Mk-VI. Mk-VI wasn’t put into service til 2552. So why were they wearing that version?

2: No, it doesn’t. There is the Alpha Halo incident, Delta Halo incident, and the Ark incident. Calling it the Halo incident is just confusing. Besides, they also flubbed the date Cortana gives Chief. She says he has been out for 4 years, 7 months, and 10 days. Using that, and going off of the date of the end of the Covenant-Human war, I found out that the real date of the game would be 04/21/2558, not 2557. But, lets just assume that Cortana’s clock is wrong.

3: Possibly, but that still feels weird. I mean, how much effort would it have been for him to say “I thought we had a truce with the Elites.”?

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reach halo 1 2 and 3 all happened in the same year, 2552. The ark can easily be included with the halos in terms of an event. Check your dates before you gripe next time.

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  1. Assuming your talking about FUD, that armour was Mark IV.
    Yes, a very stylised version of the Mark IV, but the Spartan 4’s have customisable armour, so why couldn’t the Spartan 2’s?

Oh and in regard to the Mark VI helmet you unlock, that is what the Mark VI is supposed to look like. The helmet Chief wears is a very custom and exclusive helmet that Cortana designed while he was sleeping (nano-tech).

  1. I would argue that as the Alpha, Delta and Ark events happened in close proximity, the UNSC or ONI would just refer to the events as a collective.
    However I don’t have all the dates at hand so I can’t speculate further.

  2. Concidering at the end of Halo 3, Chief thought that he and the Arbiter had killed off the Covenant, he would possable just refer to the Elites as Covenant because he thought that they where the last surviving members.
    Also, he would say Covenant instead of Elites because of the pressence of Grunts and Jackles, but because they where all together he assumed that they might have a truce with themselfs.

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I have done news

  1. 343 sorta kinda makes the lore… So yeah.

  2. Read some books.

  3. Have you not played the previous games?

  4. It’s a game.

  5. Cosmetics don’t really count. As they change as time passes. Just look at warhammer 40k.

  6. Read some books.

  7. Play the older games again

  8. Read some books.

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> 1: Mark VI armor: I get having a change in artistic vision, so the visual look was fine. But then they showed the Chief and the other S-IIs in Mark-VI armor in the past, they just totally flubbed that one. And then, they have an unlockable Mk-VI for War Games, which looks more like the original Mk-VI then the one in game.

Artistic interpretation using in-game assets. The Elites and Marines are all from Halo 4 as well. This is like Halo Legends taking a few creative liberties, showing real events but not a full recreation as they actually happened.

> 2: Opening text for Dawn: It says “2257 - 4 years after Halo event”. Uhm, no, it’s 4 years after the Ark event. It would have been 5 years after the Halo event, which took place in 9/19/2552. A minor gripe, but you can’t talk about how much attention you are going to pay to the story, then mess up a simple small detail like that.

A typo. Moving on.

> 3: Covenant truce?: What the hell was the Chief talking about? What truce? The only truce they had was with the Elites. They were still fighting the Covenant even while the Flood invaded. Again, another small detail that the laymen might not pick up on, but to someone who has played all the Halo games, this is kind of bothersome.

Those playing the games who didn’t read the books would have witnessed the Prophet of Truth being killed and the Covenant as it was collapsing but the Covenant itself still existed. The Arbiter says “There was honor in our Covenant once and their shall be again!” This implies he intends to stay united with those Covenant species who wish to stay but no longer following the treacherous Prophets.

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> 1. Assuming your talking about FUD, that armour was Mark IV.
> Yes, a very stylised version of the Mark IV, but the Spartan 4’s have customisable armour, so why couldn’t the Spartan 2’s?
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> Oh and in regard to the Mark VI helmet you unlock, that is what the Mark VI is supposed to look like. The helmet Chief wears is a very custom and exclusive helmet that Cortana designed while he was sleeping (nano-tech).
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> 2. I would argue that as the Alpha, Delta and Ark events happened in close proximity, the UNSC or ONI would just refer to the events as a collective.
> However I don’t have all the dates at hand so I can’t speculate further.
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> 3. Concidering at the end of Halo 3, Chief thought that he and the Arbiter had killed off the Covenant, he would possable just refer to the Elites as Covenant because he thought that they where the last surviving members.
> Also, he would say Covenant instead of Elites because of the pressence of Grunts and Jackles, but because they where all together he assumed that they might have a truce with themselfs.

1: No, it isn’t. They show all of the S-II’s wearing the exact same helmet as the Chief. So it isn’t some special armor Cortana just magically created while Chief was taking his cryo-nap.

2: I have never heard of a single military branch that just lumps every mission together because they happened close to one another.

3: That doesn’t make any sense. The Elites are just one branch of the Covenant, so why would he assume that they had a truce with all of them? And it wasn’t like he said this after he encountered the entire fleet after he opened the blast shields. No, he said this right after killing a single Elite.

> I have done news
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> 1. 343 sorta kinda makes the lore… So yeah.
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> 2. Read some books.
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> 3. Have you not played the previous games?
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> 4. It’s a game.
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> 5. Cosmetics don’t really count. As they change as time passes. Just look at warhammer 40k.
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> 6. Read some books.
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> 7. Play the older games again
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> 8. Read some books.

You just look like an annoying troll. If you aren’t going to add anything to the topic, please refrain from posting. I have “read some books”. I have read the first three, back when they first came out.

> Artistic interpretation using in-game assets. The Elites and Marines are all from Halo 4 as well. This is like Halo Legends taking a few creative liberties, showing real events but not a full recreation as they actually happened.

I’m fine with a new artistic vision, but the fact that they put S-IIs in Mk-VI violates the canon of the series. They should have been in Mk-IV. Not only that, but it would have added a cool unlock in War Games.

> A typo. Moving on.

No no no no, they don’t get to be all “Oops, we dun goofed!” and move on. For a game that is as hyped as this, a “typo” is inexcusable.

> Those playing the games who didn’t read the books would have witnessed the Prophet of Truth being killed and the Covenant as it was collapsing but the Covenant itself still existed. The Arbiter says “There was honor in our Covenant once and their shall be again!” This implies he intends to stay united with those Covenant species who wish to stay but no longer following the treacherous Prophets.

But Master Chief wouldn’t have known this. The last thing he knew was that they only had a truce with the Elites, not the entire Covenant.

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I’m sorry but your facts are just silly.

1-Armor changes due to graphics and just cause 343 wants to make their game their own. they can easily say whatever they want for its changes its just armor.

2- Halo event would be the most logically calling something alpha halo,delta halo, then the ark is silly. It is called the halo array, and the only time a halo was fired since the forerunner flood war was during the ark so HALO EVENT. Also the ark is referred to installation 00 out of all the installations.

3- Wrong, bungie themselves stated that the covenant split, the covenant separatists and the covenant loyalists, it has been stated grunts, hunters, and jackals went with whoever they were with at the time or loyal to. The only reason the elites were only shown was for gameplay issues in halo 3 to not confuse players with having ally grunts and enemy grunts and ally hunters and enemy hunters. So chief would thought they were still called covenant since the loyalist covenants were all but wiped out.

Honestly do proper research next time.

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> I’m sorry but your facts are just silly.
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> 1-Armor changes due to graphics and just cause 343 wants to make their game their own. they can easily say whatever they want for its changes its just armor.
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> 2- Halo event would be the most logically calling something alpha halo,delta halo, then the ark is silly. It is called the halo array, and the only time a halo was fired since the forerunner flood war was during the ark so HALO EVENT. Also the ark is referred to installation 00 out of all the installations.
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> 3- Wrong, bungie themselves stated that the covenant split, the covenant separatists and the covenant loyalists, it has been stated grunts, hunters, and jackals went with whoever they were with at the time or loyal to. The only reason the elites were only shown was for gameplay issues in halo 3 to not confuse players with having ally grunts and enemy grunts and ally hunters and enemy hunters. So chief would thought they were still called covenant since the loyalist covenants were all but wiped out.
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> Honestly do proper research next time.

Wow, again, so wrong on so many counts. Honestly, it’s as if some of you have trouble reading.

1: I don’t give a frak that they changed the armors look. That’s fine, I get it. What I don’t get, is why they decided that all the S-IIs in the flashback at the beginning of the game wore the same armor as the Chief. Which is Mark-VI armor. Mark-VI wasn’t around until 2552. So, why were they wearing that armor? You know, for someone who tells me to “do my research”, you sure did fail with that logic there buddy.

2: First of all, that is some awful sentence structure you got there bro. Secondly, calling it the Ark incident is way more accurate, because, you know, that’s how the Chief got stranded. Honestly, it isn’t that big of a deal, it just threw me off considering the last time we saw Chief before he got stranded, was him in the FUD going into the portal above the Ark. I also just looked up the official halo timeline, and it does refer to the Halo trilogy as the “Halo Event”. Seems odd though, since that encompasses quite alot more then just the Halo rings.

3: Again, Master Chief only fought alongside the Elites in Halo 3. So why would he call them all Covenant? I also don’t get the logic of still calling them Covenant. It’d be like referring to the Ukraine as the USSR.

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Honestly man you just don’t get it, Bungie has stated that the elites were the covenant separatists and they had grunts jackals and hunters in the ranks. The only reason they were not shown in halo 3 were for game play issues. They were called the covenant separatists and the brutes and prophets were loyalists. It was stated numerous times but bungie it is their lore not something 343 just made up…

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You made a thread about that? If it’s “minor gripes” then what the heck? I understand 1, 2 is arguing semantics, and 3 has got to be troll town; he battled an elite and wondered why the truce wasn’t honored. If you’re -Yoinking!- over the use of the word “Covenant” then re-read the beginning of this paragraph.

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know when you can tell that someone is arguing for the sake of arguing?

they do this; <mark>“First of all, that is some awful sentence structure you got there bro.”</mark>

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Honestly man it is their canon not yours,

I present you with facts from bungie canon and you dismiss it. 343 has taken over the halo franchise. It is their universe, if they want to call the end of the war when halo installation replacement 04 was fired to end the flood threat and destroy the ark, the halo event that is their call not yours.

When chief went into cryo the covenant separatists led by the elites won the civil war against the covenant loyalists when the prophet of truth was killed and jiralhanae fleet was shattered. Bungie has said that grunts and hunters were in the ranks of the elites fleet, however to avoid confusing players they did not add them into the campaign of halo 3. So when he woke up he would assume elites being accompanied by grunts were the same covenant that were allied with the humans.

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  1. I can’t really comment on this one. I’m not really familiar with the armour types.

  2. Halo Event is simply an umbrella term used by 343 to relay to the player how long it’s been since the plot of the first three games. It’s been over 4 years. It doesn’t matter that they didn’t go into specifics. “Halo Event” is not a military term for the destruction of the Ark. They didn’t make a mistake. It was simply 343 telling us that this takes place 4 years after the last trilogy. Which involved 3 halos. They happened in such a short amount of time 343 just decided to use the term “Halo Event”. It’s simply telling new players that this new game is the beginning of a whole new storyline which directly involves the Forerunners and Prometheans.

That the last three games were about Halos (hence the series’ title) but that is now over. This is a new chapter focusing on new story elements beyond Halo. If they had said “The Destruction of the Ark” new players might feel as if this game is simply a continuation from the last and might feel a little uneasy jumping into a videogame series without having played the first 3.

  1. As someone has already pointed out most of the Grunts and Hunters (but not all) also side with the Elites at the end of Halo 2 and join forces with the Humans. However, in Halo 3, Bungie did not want to confuse players and decided to remove Grunts and Hunters from the Human side and they remained on the Loyalist side during gameplay. But this does not change the fact that the majority of these two races were fighting the Loyalists along with the Elites during the events of Halo 3. And since they defeated the Loyalists one would assume that the Seperatist-Covenant were what remained.

So when Master Chief says “I thought we had a truce with the Covenenat” that’s because more than one species made a truce with the Humans. But as with most wars some members of the same species decided to remain loyal to the Prophets out of fear, fanaticism or whatever.

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> 1: Mark VI armor: I get having a change in artistic vision, so the visual look was fine. But then they showed the Chief and the other S-IIs in Mark-VI armor in the past, they just totally flubbed that one. And then, they have an unlockable Mk-VI for War Games, which looks more like the original Mk-VI then the one in game.
>
> 2: Opening text for Dawn: It says “2257 - 4 years after Halo event”. Uhm, no, it’s 4 years after the Ark event. It would have been 5 years after the Halo event, which took place in 9/19/2552. A minor gripe, but you can’t talk about how much attention you are going to pay to the story, then mess up a simple small detail like that.
>
> 3: Covenant truce?: What the hell was the Chief talking about? What truce? The only truce they had was with the Elites. They were still fighting the Covenant even while the Flood invaded. Again, another small detail that the laymen might not pick up on, but to someone who has played all the Halo games, this is kind of bothersome.
>
> These are so far the only ones I can see. While not game breaking, they are irritating. So please, in Halo 5, actually pay attention to detail. Unless you’re just trying to pull a whole retcon, in which case, don’t try to patronize me and say that this is “for the fans”. Because if it was, you’d honor what Bungie did and stay true to the lore they created, rather then just ignoring what they did and making up your own.

1: Cortana said herself that she modified it while he slept.

2: They could be talking about the firing of Installation 04v2.

3: Actually, the faction’s official name is the Covenant Separatists.

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Okay let’s not forget here that this whole story is made up in the first place; it’s not like this is an actual war that took place in our history. That being said, it’s always been a great story, but Bungie along with the authors that wrote the books created the story, and formed it to fit to what they wanted. So 343 is going to now continue the story from here on out the way they want. Plus these rebuttals to your original post are correct responses.

Next your going to tell me that there shouldn’t have been Brutes in Halo Reach since they weren’t in the original game of Halo: Combat Evolved lol.

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I did add to the thread.

I tried to stress that you need to read the Halo novels. Basically they will explain a lot. If you do not/can’t/won’t read them then that’s your problem for not knowing what’s going on. There’s more than 3 books. Try reading the new ones. Again if you won’t then that’s your problem for not knowing what’s going on. Not 343

Also you may not know this but. The man who made halo from the start sorta kinda works for 343. You know the guy who wrote most if not all the halo lore? Oh and bungie employees who moved with him. Yeah do they are sticking to halo lore. Lore is a fluid thing. As an example warhammer 40k has had it’s lote retconed/edited for more than 20 years. If you read novels that are part of a series or folkie a sertain lore then you would know that things change as the years go by.

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  1. The new look of Chief’s armour was never lore related. The only thing Cortana upgraded was his firmware (VISR etc). The actual armour is nothing but artistic license. In that sense, it doesn’t really matter.

I don’t care enough about the others to voice an opinion.

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You do know there will be books about the time period between Halo 4 and 3 to help people understand what happened while the MC was in Cryo-Sleep.

Next off all i thought that all Spartans could customise their armor which would explain some of the inconsistancies

And as for the new armor that also had me confused. But then Cortana did say she updated his armor which might include the actual design

And the left over Covenant you fight are actually rogues. A splinter group