343 is treating free players poorly

I feel like 343 hates us free players. Whether or not they do doesn’t really matter, what matters is how free players feel. Free players could become paying customers at any time, so why drive them away? Let me explain:

Out of one side of their mouth, they talk about how the S2 battlepass provides so much more value to free players, and how they really love their free players so so much.

Out of the other side of their mouth, they unexpectedly blindside free players by announcing less than a week before the launch of S2 that the S1 Battlepass actually does expire, surprise! Unless you paid for it. This is so scummy I don’t have words to describe it. For more than a year they’ve been saying, pretty much verbatim, “Unlike everyone else, our battlepass never expires, we’re so pro-consumer!” Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think they ever stated that the S1 battlepass would expire for free players until 6 days before the launch of S2.

To be fair, in their original multiplayer vidoc from last summer, they did say that “once you buy it, it’s yours forever”, leaving it open to interpretation as to what would happen with the free track (although we didn’t know a free track even existed at that point); however, the fact remains that their messaging led people to believe it would stick around for free players too. I mean, why wouldn’t it? After a couple years of MCC battlepasses that were free and stuck around forever, and the clear and consistent messaging from 343 that “your battlepass will never expire”, and finally the admission from Sketch in the S2 stream that the announcement that the battlepass would expire for free players would come as a surprise to players, I think it is fair to say that at best, 343 failed to control the narrative, and mistakenly misled players with their unclear messaging, and at worst, they tried to keep this as much a secret as possible without contradicting themselves so that when S2 rolled around, they could nickel and dime us free players into paying for content that used to be free.

A relevant side note is the challenge system. Free players can only progress on 3 challenges at a time, which is honestly just a big fat f*** you to people like me. It makes the game more frustrating to play in the hopes that I’ll spend money to make it less irritating.

For anyone who feels like I don’t deserve a say since I am a free player…

  1. I paid $60 for the campaign, and in my mind I paid $60 for a full package. I’m still a paying customer, even if I don’t spend on the multiplayer, and I want the product I own to be the best it can be.
  2. 343 has nothing to gain from alienating free players like me. I would have bought the S2 pass if not for their scummy business practices.

I think they believe the calculated risk of alienating some free players will be offset by the free players who decide to go back and pay for the old pass, and future passes that expire as well. I hope that’s not the case.

I refuse to pay money to an anti-consumer business model. If they want to make playing the game less fun for me, I won’t pay them. I think the only pro-consumer way to do Free to Play is to just improve the experience for paid players, but not downgrade it for free ones.

I’ll end by saying this: I was honestly considering buying the S2 pass, but after they decided to make free battlepasses expire, I changed my mind. I have no right to tell others how to use their money, but I implore others to speak with their wallets, and not pay into this anti-consumer system. Pay for games that value their customers and potential customers.

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Paying players are the real victims.

I didn’t pass judgement on how 343’s treatment of paid players compares, my only point was that 343’s actions are alienating free players, at least free players like me. For some reason, I still want this franchise to succeed, and I think treating free players well will help. At the very least, I think it is in 343’s interests to turn free players into paying players, and their actions have pushed me in the opposite direction so far. Perhaps things are bad for paid players, and the product you get for the money you spend isn’t worth it or takes advantage like you say.

Honestly instead of locking the 4th challenge like scum, 343 should have unlocked a 5th challenge which would be really cool, since we want to do challenges faster.

This is the issue though; why do paid players get an extra challenge slot at all? It is only there to make the free players’ experience inferior. It’s just an arbitrary choice to make things harder to bully players into spending money.

Don’t expect 343 to choose charity over greed.

fax

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Ngl I bought the Battle Pass on an impulsive decision that I hated having 3 challenges at a time, and I’d rather just spend the money since we get 1000 credits back anyway. Battle Pass is basically free content in the long run. I just couldn’t stand having 3 challenges at a time. I don’t even want anything in this Battle Pass. Nothing at all. Just the 4th slot. Still, 1000 credits will buy me 10 years of free Battle Passes if I finish them, so I say just go for it. It’s $10. $1 per year, for over 1000 items over the lifetime of Infinite. My brain said just get it.

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Wait I thought you were just locked out of the previously FREE items from S1, but if I’m understanding you correctly, you just CAN’T access S1 now? Like, can’t buy it, can’t progress through it? That is so disappointing.

I’m generally a fan of the game. I bought S1 and S2, but now I feel like I’m being pressured into buying each season, rather than looking at the armor, thinking, “My girl would look cool with that piece!” And spending $10 bucks on it. Super disappointing. I would like to see this decision reversed. I think the marketing team at 343 and Microsoft have really dropped the ball.

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Sorry for the confusion. Players can still go back and buy the S1 pass. But there is now no free track for the S1 battlepass, so if you want the customization items that were free up until last week, you have to pay for them. I don’t think that would have been as big a deal if their messaging about this hadn’t been misleading.

I feel like I’m being pressured into buying each season

I definitely feel this.

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Every f2p game does this and its why f2p is a horrible system.

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f2p in general is probably the worst thing to happen in gaming. and peoples mental health. At least now buying season 2 gives you back the credits to get season 3 etc, so could be worse.

I have a daughter with anorexia and severe mental health issues, which f2p and pressure to look like this or that is not a good thing for younger generations mental health. Or anyone’s mental health

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Is someone pressuring your daughter to use a certain core or skin?

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Is 343 Treating Free Players Poorly?

Maybe, but IMHO the f2p system is a good thing here is why:

Like in the old days we use to get DEMO’s of new game releases. IE: Halo Combat Evolved was one of them, It gave you a glimpse of what the game is about, It was not a perfect demo game it also had issues.

I kinda look at the F2P Of Halo Infinite as a demo. It ain’t perfect but it give you a glimpse of what Halo Infinite was about. Would I pay for this game? Not at this time.

There are issues I want really fixed before I decide to buy this game.

That is why I go to You Tube when ever I need to buy something. I want to see and hear about the item I wish to purchase.

Peace! :fist_right: :fist_left:

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I think the biggest insult is that season passes never expire… unless you’re a free player… then you have to pay to access old passes.

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343 hates its players , full stop. They hate the old Bungie games and they hate the fans of Bungie’s games, which is the majority of their players older than 12.

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What are you talking about? They want to be just like Bungie. Didn’t you notice they are already vaulting content? /s

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She doesn’t play Halo unfortunately, she does play other f2p games, but always there is the pressure to buy to progress. There are of course other issues behind it other than games. But the media generation itself is damaging.

I’m like 50, and it was just so good back in the day buying a game with no pressure

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We hear you, keep the feedback coming :facepunch:

:rofl:

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The difference is a demo was a demo and when you bought the game you got everything. F2P is not a demo, its just “access” to the game. There’s no unlocks or neat features, just the game and a store littered with $20 crap where you eventually spend 3x the amount you would have spent on a normal base game cost.

Halo Infinite in season 2 STILL has less content and customization than a game that came out over 15 years ago.

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Personally, I’ve decided to approach all games like we used to in ye olde days. I’ve found it to be a much nicer way to engage with games. Examine the game with the content it has at launch and decide if you’re OK with paying for it (particularly the single-player side). And always approach multiplayer content as just having fun with friends. Pretty sure it’s hard for most folks, but chasing unlocks and constant levelling and upgrades and yada yada is a grind not worth it in the long run, IMO. You bust your hump for what? Some digital doodads that you forget about in a week? Not worth the time spent that could have been spent actually living life IMO.

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https://www.comingsoon.net/games/news/1180215-halo-infinite-battle-pass-no-grind

The wording here back in June didn’t suggest the free path would linger past expired seasons.

Additionally, our passes will always include various free rewards in addition to the premium track. This goes back to a few pillars of ours: Provide unambiguous value and maintain that player-first focus.

This could be interpreted as “free items even after expiration” or “free items only during the active season”, but the suggestion here objectively means “free content will be available”. While the value itself remains unambiguous (meaning free content will be available) the wording is ambiguous.

I don’t recall this to be an actual quote.

This however is:

On how we’re going to be different… We’re going player-first with our Battle Passes: All Battle Passes will be permanent. This means that the Season 1 Battle Pass will be around forever; you can always go back, select that as your active Battle Pass and continue to earn progress in it. If you decided to take a Season off, or you simply didn’t have time to play, that’s fine. You can always go back and purchase any prior Battle Pass as well.

The implication being that if you missed a season, you have to purchase it in order to rank through in a season you didn’t participate in when it was active.

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For real, Halo 5 had 60 default colors. 60…
When I booted up Halo Infinite I only saw 10…

They took away our voice of color that we had before the least they could have done was just give us those same 60 colors as the default choice. Anything after yea I’d pay for it but at least I would still have my generic default colors

But instead they first sold us White. Then they took red and sold it to players three different times.

Truly scummy. Like I’m just exhausted from Halo Infinites microtransactions when it comes to the coating. There is nothing innovative about taking away 50 of the default colors players had for free in Halo 5 and than pay wall then.

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I just want custom Emblems back. I don’t understand why the nameplates they sell can’t just be nameplates with custom emblems like MCC.

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The free stuff from previous seasons become no longer free, and can only be gained from buying and leveling up, not necessarily in that order AFAIK.

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