343 is trashing all of Bungies characters...

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Master Chief is essentially called washed up and worthless. In the Spops Episode 3 trailer Halsey is a War Criminal and is kinda treated like garbage. And of course… they offed Cortana. It kinda kills me deep down inside because Bungies characters had depth unlike Del Rio, Palmer, and even Lasky. It’s kinda odd that Lasky lacks depth in-game considering their was full large scale web series based entirely around him.

Anyone else notice all the hostility from the new characters towards the old characters?

To be honest Roland the Infinity’s AI is the only new character I enjoy.

I’m not hating on the game btw. I really enjoyed the story. I’m just pointing out that 343 is bashing. :slight_smile:

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We don’t know if they killed off Cortana. No one knows that. Halsey is treated like a War Criminal thanks to Karen Travis demonizing her to the UNSC. But remember this is ONI we are talking about. They don’t play nice…at all.

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343 killed off one character.

Bungie killed off at least three.

Also this “washy” and “finding his humanity” -Yoink-, I don’t know where you guys are coming up with all of this…

The campaign had nothing to do with him finding his humanity, it’s like you guys just hear someone else say it and keep repeating it. He doesn’t seem any less dangerous in the campaign either.

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Chief ain’t a robot, like they said at the end. Yes I do think it became a little too maudlin at times but then also, looking at the Chief as an actual aging, growing character, MAKES SENSE. Say if he does make it to the the age of 102 or something, and granted those implants would still help him, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be as great a soldier as he is now, which so far is all that he is.

They’re trying to give the man more depth. Hell, it took Sony like 5 God of War games to do the same with Kratos and IMO make him not seem like a 1 dimensional, eternally only angry character.

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Bungie killed
Keys
Miranda
Johnson
All of noble

Those are the ones that stick out.

343
Cortana is not confirmed. Do none.

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> Master Chief is essentially called washed up and worthless. In the Spops Episode 3 trailer Halsey is a War Criminal and is kinda treated like garbage. And of course… they offed Cortana. It kinda kills me deep down inside because Bungies characters had depth unlike Del Rio, Palmer, and even Lasky. It’s kinda odd that Lasky lacks depth in-game considering their was full large scale web series based entirely around him.
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> Anyone else notice all the hostility from the new characters towards the old characters?
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> To be honest Roland the Infinity’s AI is the only new character I enjoy.
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> I’m not hating on the game btw. I really enjoyed the story. I’m just pointing out that 343 is bashing. :slight_smile:

You’re so wrong. On so many levels, it’s almost incomprehensible. I don’t even know how to feel about your post.

“Master Chief is essentially called washed up and worthless.”

Yeah, because if he wasn’t, they sure as hell wouldn’t feature him saving humanity again in another game. They also wouldn’t be developing 2 other games in a trilogy based on him, right?

“In the Spops Episode 3 trailer Halsey is a War Criminal and is kinda treated like garbage.”

Yeah, because they would let a war criminal onto the UNSC’s most important ship, and let her aid in the study of a most-likely invaluable Forerunner artifact. It’s like she’s a literal bag of trash to me, right?

they offed Cortana.

Yeah, because there’s a ton of evidence saying that she’s gone forever. She’s definitely dead and won’t come back, right?

“It kinda kills me deep down inside because Bungies characters had depth unlike Del Rio, Palmer, and even Lasky. It’s kinda odd that Lasky lacks depth in-game considering their was full large scale web series based entirely around him.”

Del Rio, I’ve heard, was chosen to head the Infinity because they couldn’t get a more qualified or better person to do it because they had to keep all of it under wraps. Apparently, he had no connections, family or otherwise. Apparently, Parangosky (head of ONI) wanted Lasky in the first place, but was pressured into choosing Del Rio.

Palmer…I can agree with. We need more character development from her. Maybe more in SOps?

For Lasky, I guess 343i assumed that if you’re playing the campaign, you’re at least invested into the story enough that you’d at least take a gander at Forward Unto Dawn, even if you’re not a die-hard fan. Though, you’re right, they could have done more with him in the campaign.

“Anyone else notice all the hostility from the new characters towards the old characters?”

The only hostility really, was from Del Rio. And look what happened to him. When Palmer said to the Chief when he made his first appearance to her, she did say"I thought you’d be taller". I’m sure she’s just playing around. That just seems like her attitude. No way a fellow soldier in the field would give a man like the Chief ACTUAL disrespect. I would see it come from a person like Del Rio, of course.

“To be honest Roland the Infinity’s AI is the only new character I enjoy.”

Well, ok.

That is my rebuttal to you.

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halsey is treated like a war criminal because she basically is. yes she indirectly saved humanity. but she did commit some pretty unforgivable crimes in the process.

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Bungie -Yoink- out reach and then had the nerve to try and bend canon to fit that steaming pile of -Yoink- they had the audacity to try and get away with.

343 is doing wonderfully with the story. Bungie tried to kill halo on their way out

-Yoink- Bungie, they betrayed us all.

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> Those are the ones that stick out.

No love for 343G.S. I guess.

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> > Those are the ones that stick out.
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> No love for 343G.S. I guess.

Oh yeah.

Him to
I hate him.

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I really hate the guys relying on Dragon Ball Z logic to excuse saying Cortana survived.

  1. Rampant as hell.
  2. Tore herself to literal shreds to clog the system to give Chief his shot at Didact.
  3. Sank herself deep enough in Didact’s system to create Hardlight bonds to hold the Didact down.
  4. The entirety of Didact’s ship is torn to lego bricks in a nuclear explosion/destruction of the Composer.

She was diseased, threw herself into a blender and then that blender was nuked.

If she comes back it would just be laziness from 343i. Dragon Ball Z logic.

‘Oh there was this random plot device we never/barely/can’t mention that lets her survive all this stuff just fine.’

Consider this little gem. Cortana was literally falling apart as you raid Didact’s tower at the end. Chief held on the entire game assuming he could reach Earth and get Cortana to Halsey, who could help. This is impossible. She couldn’t have helped. Chief didn’t know she was incarcerated. Halsey is a War Criminal. They’d never let her near Chief or Cortana, it’d be stupid of them. Even HAD Chief reached Earth with Cortana and had a little time to spare she would have died anyway as they wouldn’t be able to get to Halsey who would be the only one who could help.

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Halsey had small children kidnapped and replaced with clones that died within months. She then took those children and said “You’re going to be the best killers we can make you. You have no choice in the matter.” And then pushed them through augmentations that crippled or killed about half of them.

Yeah, I’d say she’s a war criminal. Kind of odd nobody brought it up until Traviss started writing for 343i.

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> I really hate the guys relying on Dragon Ball Z logic to excuse saying Cortana survived.
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> 1. Rampant as hell.
> 2. Tore herself to literal shreds to clog the system to give Chief his shot at Didact.
> 3. Sank herself deep enough in Didact’s system to create Hardlight bonds to hold the Didact down.
> 4. The entirety of Didact’s ship is torn to lego bricks in a nuclear explosion/destruction of the Composer.
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> She was diseased, threw herself into a blender and then that blender was nuked.
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> If she comes back it would just be laziness from 343i. Dragon Ball Z logic.
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> ‘Oh there was this random plot device we never/barely/can’t mention that lets her survive all this stuff just fine.’
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> Consider this little gem. Cortana was literally falling apart as you raid Didact’s tower at the end. Chief held on the entire game assuming he could reach Earth and get Cortana to Halsey, who could help. This is impossible. She couldn’t have helped. Chief didn’t know she was incarcerated. Halsey is a War Criminal. They’d never let her near Chief or Cortana, it’d be stupid of them. Even HAD Chief reached Earth with Cortana and had a little time to spare she would have died anyway as they wouldn’t be able to get to Halsey who would be the only one who could help.

Thank you, it’s late, these forums and their idiocy is frustrating and you typed out what I would have four months ago.

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Dunno, Cortana did have to integrate parts of her consciousness into the systems of the Didact’s ship yes but we don’t know if it had some kind of back door to something on Requiem.

Least that’s my choice of how to see it.

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> Bungie Yoink! out reach and then had the nerve to try and bend canon to fit that steaming pile of Yoink! they had the audacity to try and get away with.
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> 343 is doing wonderfully with the story. Bungie tried to kill halo on their way out
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> -Yoink!- Bungie, they betrayed us all.

this this and this.

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> Dunno, Cortana did have to integrate parts of her consciousness into the systems of the Didact’s ship yes but we don’t know if it had some kind of back door to something on Requiem.
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> Least that’s my choice of how to see it.

In my honest opinion that’d be no better then Crimson Team bringing her back in Spartan Ops by collecting all 7 Dragon Balls and wishing her back.

It is stupid to use some random plot device to cheat a characters death. She got an absolutely amazing send off. Saved the world AND ended up getting Chief thinking about himself, from the note they leave off on.

Even if there was some kind of Backdoor to slip through how in the hell would that prevent the fact that she had maybe a few hours left before Rampancy took her life anyway? So she slips into Requiem where she sits in a system for her last few hours alone? Not likely.

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@ Phenixblack

Because they are at Earth, and Halsey was on the infinity THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN.

Chief shuld’ve asked about her when he got onboard

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> @ Phenixblack
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> Because they are at Earth, and Halsey was on the infinity THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN.
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> Chief shuld’ve asked about her when he got onboard

So she was chilling on the infinity for four years? And then had to be brought back on board in the next episode of spartan ops?

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> @ Phenixblack
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> Because they are at Earth, and Halsey was on the infinity THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN.
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> Chief shuld’ve asked about her when he got onboard

She wasn’t on the Infinity. That wouldn’t make sense. Cortana would have noticed Halsey on board when she was inside the Infinity’s systems.

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There is nothing at all wrong with killing characters in books, movies, or games.

As long as they can do it right so that it makes sense and people can accept that it makes the story more interesting.

For example this contain spoilers though if one has read this entire thread I think one would already understand this. When Cortana is going rampant they have already had plenty of backstory to lead up to her eventual ‘death’. From Halo Legends and in all the Halo books there doesn’t seem like there will ever be a true way to ‘cure’ Cortana just like we can’t cure mental illnesses today. So when she sacrificed herself b/c she was going to die anyway that… that was awesome.

On the other hand Kat getting shot by one needle rifle shot to the head seemed a little rushed in Halo Reach.

Also its not old characters vs new at all. Lasky seems to like Chief and Palmer I don’t think has an issue with him. Rio on the other hand like ALREADY exsisting characters -cough majority of ODST- don’t like Master Chief or any Spartan in any capacity. They seem them as a threat to their position and their humanity. Which is definetly not the case.

Halsey is a war criminal her actions were wrong and to kidnap unconsenting children in any world is wrong. Yes it saved humanity but if the Covenant did not come later then there would have been no reason.