343 is not the problem,

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The community might appear to be whiney and unappreciative… but can you honestly say that it would be just as bad if the game actually shipped with Assault, classic CTF, Falcons, custom game options that work, a better Forge, better armors and on and on and on?

The unhappiness in the community stems fundamentally from the fact that Halo 4 was released half-completed and because the community is used to having more Halo in their Halo. Not just more but better.

Halo 4 is a weird thing; it’s both lacking in quality AND quantity. Except for the ridiculous number of cruddy Spartan armors.

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> The community might appear to be whiney and unappreciative… but can you honestly say that it would be just as bad if the game actually shipped with Assault, classic CTF, Falcons, custom game options that work, a better Forge, better armors and on and on and on?
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> The unhappiness in the community stems fundamentally from the fact that Halo 4 was released half-completed and because the community is used to having more Halo in their Halo. Not just more but better.
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> Halo 4 is a weird thing; it’s both lacking in quality AND quantity. Except for the ridiculous number of cruddy Spartan armors.

Its like they spent all the development time building the engine and making a tech demo but forgot to make it a game.

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No skill to use the jetpack? That’s total BS.

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> The community is. The “halo waypoint community” will complain about anything. 343 did an amazing job on halo 4. could they have done better? well that all depends on who you ask because its a matter of OPINION. Another thing is the lack of skill in players, is without a doubt at an all time low, all the pros left beacause of all the AR + Jetpack spammers. It takes NO SKILL to use the AR, or the storm Rifle, or suppressor. and it definitely takes 0 skill to use the jetpack. I love where 343 has taken halo 4, but the community shoots down everything 343 puts out. “oh the dmr is OP nerf it, the boltshot is stupid, the playlists are terrible.” thats a matter of opinion on all these things,and i think everything is great until everyone pulls out there full-autos and im the only one using the BR, then im attacked from all sides because my allies cant play halo and just spam the AR. if youre a "community, you should SUPPORT the people who made it and play it!

No, I won’t support them. They need to try harder with the game that they made that I paid for. They need to impress me if they want my support.

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The general opinion of the game is that is terrible. The fact that hundreds of thousands of people who bought the game at launch dont play it anymore supports that opinion

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343 is definitely the problem.

They’re the ones that keep pushing out DLC before they fix and balance their own game.

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> Copy and Paste from my thread…
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> First off, why are we playing as super heroes now? Back in Halo 1-3 we were super SOLDIERS. In Reach we were granted to ability to be invincible and fly around (lol Iron Man) and now in Halo 4 we have a riot shield (lol CoD) and the ability to see through walls (lol Superman)
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> 2) They sold an unfinished game. Yes all games are works in progress due to updates etc. BUT Theatre is half of what it used to be. Custom game options are nearly inexistent and force you to go back to Halo 2 to find a Halo game with such few options. Fileshare just got working after 3 months (too bad the game has 82% less people on it now than back then so less content being created). Forge has great new tools but don’t always work right and hinders some things people were able to do in the past.
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> 3) Halo 4 is a CoD game with a Halo title.
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> - Perks (Cant pick grenades up without 1? Really?)
> - Care Package aka ScoreStreaks aka Ordinance
> *causes a HUGE abundance of power weapons on the map which makes map control a lost cause if the 2 teams are close in skill. Even people that are negative -1500 overall can get a incineration cannon just by hitting someone with 1 shot and picking up assists. That isn’t right nor is it Halo.
> - Instant spawn (awesome you killed someone, too bad your shields are gone and he just respawned right behind you) 343i: Do NOT fix what isn’t broken.
> - Shotgun as a spawn weapon (Boltshot)
> - Riot Shield (“Hardlight”)
> - Unlocking emblems
> - Unlocking weapons (all of which are early in the game so it is pointless but obviously a nod to modern shooters such as CoD and BF)
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> Other things:
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> - Unblanced loadouts (DMR isn’t OP, other weapons just have too long killtimes to use over the DMR… yes, you Carbine)
> *Lower aim assist on ALL WEAPONS. and boost kill times for the other rifles to match DMR
> - Horrible progression system that carried over from Reach (No 1-50 or any skill ranks)
> - Rank Cap (CoD didn’t even have this… it didn’t work in Reach, why do it now?)
> - Quick weapon despawn to take away the previously mentioned # of power weapons… 2 wrongs do NOT make a right.
> - True Skill system doesn’t work. Never has, never will and this is why a numbered system is needed.
> - Lack of Small maps. These maps are all huge compared to the old classics of Chillout, Lockout, Midship, Warlock, Guardian. Skyline is the smallest and is still large compared to older games. Which, with jetpack, we will NEVER see another small map such as midship or anything with a normal ceiling height.
> - More 1 shot weapons than any other Halo game and more of them than “regular” weapons. And you spawn with 1.
> - Flinch vs. Descope (don’t fix what isn’t broken!)
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> YES, THEY -ARE- THE PROBLEM.

Im glad they took some loadout ideas from Call of Duty. Its not like they own the right to use loadouts only and all of everything that you listed as well. Nice list though, you’ve organized issues (not really an issue) into a list better than i probally can write. One who complains of new features, COD look-alikes, and for lack of better words @#$% that people make up just to make a game look up. It could be done to any game.

You are tieing too many game elements halo has to Call of Duty like as if they owned the right to have the secondary as a shotgun… Did you forget almost every other multiplayer game out there? Gears of War… shotgun in your loadout. Battlefield serise… shotgun in your loadout. I guess they are copying Call of Duty. I love how you linked the hardlight shield to Call of Duty that made me laugh. Its amazing how someone who dislikes a game can create this list to satisfy their disatisfaction or rage. I mean really… EMBLEM UNLOCKS?! Your complaining about that. I forgot that Call of Duty invented almost everything. Its just standard in game adds that makes the game appear like it has more substance. ITS STILL HALO. They are trying to appeal to a wider audience for profit but still keep things to satisfy the fans.

A game company would be wise to associate what seems to be popular in their own games and in THEIR OWN WAY. They are not the problem. All the features that they decided to include does not break the foundation of halo, it only spices things up to feel new and fresh. They did a phenomenal job at keeping true to their word and deserve a better prestige than what others in the community continue to say. (Oh im sorry i used prestige, should i feel bad because im not original? Ill just say “praise” Now im a good game. :D)

If you didnt want them to change anything and dont like the small tweaks they made to gameplay, why not play Halo 3? Thats what my friend is doing because he see’s nothing wrong with it and doesnt like the new get-up.

Give 343i the respect they deserve for taking this task of taking on the role of the legendary halo creators and doing things right. They made the game their own and kept true to what its all about. CONGRATULATIONS 343i, and keep up the good work.

(I will agree that Thearter and Custom Games didnt feel full… tsk tsk tsk. For whatever reason it didnt come out so fleshed as Halo 3. And wheres ASSAULT?! lol cmonn i love that. Oh well. If they release it later that be great. But if they try to include it in Halo 5 as “a new thing” then things will get messy… Still hoping for the best.)

SUPPORT HALO 4. Its not dieing, only diversifying.

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This community makes me depressed.

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> This community makes me depressed.

Maybe you should take a break seeing as the community really gets to you.

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> If you are a good Halo player, you should have no problem coming out on top in most of your battles with a precision weapon against an automatic. The game is invaded with OP DMR’s, not AR’s.
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> If you’re engaging an automatic at close-range with a BR, you’re doing it wrong.
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> As for the community, yes, way too much hate and negativity on the forums. I love Halo 4, but still, I have to agree with the community on a lot of the games’ flaws. There are major problems with this game that needs to be addressed.

I know I do :wink:

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> 343 is definitely the problem.
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> They’re the ones that keep pushing out DLC before they fix and balance their own game.

Different teams for different tasks. The two are mutually exclusive. Mapmakers aren’t necessarily well suited to debug MM issues.

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misguided halo fans are to blame.

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> OP,
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> Did you happen the catch the threads a few weeks ago where the posters were actually complaining about the menu music and the clouds on Ragnarock?
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> Apparently people don’t play this game, they sit in the menu for hours on end and when playing on Ragnarock they stare at clouds.
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> And it gets even better. Someone actually was upset the Jackals were right handed. I’m not making this up.

Hahaha I saw all of those posts. I was seriously thinking the guy complaining about the right handed jackals was joking…lol
And notice when he made his list he excluded bungie’s halo reach, that had right handed jackals…lol man people just leave out whatever facts that make their point invalid.

Seriously though, those were some funny posts.

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> Yet the complaints about the reduction of Custom options, the cutting down of Theater and the balancing of weapons, Armor Abilities and Specializations aren’t.

Well reasoned and defensed complaints are always appropriate. But I just wanted to provide a counterpoint as someone with “the other” point of view. Please understand I’m not looking to belittle your opinions or that I even disagree with them.

Custom Options: I tried the custom thing and it never really stuck. Only one of my Halo friends plays customs. I know one of the biggest threads on this particular forum has to do with the lack of Custom options. But I representa portion of the population that didn’t even know there were reduced options available. Surely the decision to cut something at the risk of such backlash was informed by analytics?

Theater: I rarely used it Reach or H3, but yeah I think the H4 version is terrible. Still, for the amount of time I use it I’m not really missing anything.

AA/Specializations: I welcome them and enjoy them immensely, despite the flaws and glitches. The very nature of these things means they are almost always works in progress. I trust that they will be improved upon in the next TU and vastly improved in H5. As for doing away with them altogether, I recently played H3 at a friends house and found the action to be slow and far less nuanced. Again, not saying they don’t need work. They just deserve more appreciation from the fans.

Here’s hoping that the next gen platform will give 343 the bandwidth to bring customs back to their splendor while improving on the ‘combat evovled’ that makes Halo so great.

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> > 343 is definitely the problem.
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> > They’re the ones that keep pushing out DLC before they fix and balance their own game.
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> Different teams for different tasks. The two are mutually exclusive. Mapmakers aren’t necessarily well suited to debug MM issues.

Yet the DLC also addresses a lot of issues players were having before. FFA game modes, lack of instant respawn, different game modes, smaller maps and more forge materials.

While I don’t believe they should address it via paid DLC, but it still is good that these fixes and changes are coming.

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The real question is what did 343 do except for the campaign? 4 other studios did multiplayer and SO for the most part, 80% or more.

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> If you’re engaging an automatic at close-range with a BR, you’re doing it wrong.

If you can kill someone with a BR at close-range than you’re doing it right…

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> The real question is what did 343 do except for the campaign? 4 other studios did multiplayer and SO for the most part, 80% or more.

Why does this keep coming up?

You guys act like this is something new for developers to do. For example: Do you really think DICE was the only developer who worked on BF 3? NO! They weren’t. In fact, Danger Close helped them and that’s just one.

Many, many developers practice this.

What do you expect on this forum? There is a small group that has it’s agenda to find every little possible thing they can think of that they can use to bash 343.

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> The real question is what did 343 do except for the campaign? 4 other studios did multiplayer and SO for the most part, 80% or more.

The motion capture, systems design, netcode, way point website, overall design, writing, majority of the modeling (The outsourced group just renders it), play testing, QA work, Public relations, Environment design, concept art, weapon design, vehicle design, a large majority of the programing such as physics, and a host of other things.

343i may have done a lot of outsourcing, but they also did a lot of the work and simply worked hand in hand with the outsourcing companies.

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> The community is. The “halo waypoint community” will complain about anything. 343 did an amazing job on halo 4. could they have done better? well that all depends on who you ask because its a matter of OPINION. Another thing is the lack of skill in players, is without a doubt at an all time low, all the pros left beacause of all the AR + Jetpack spammers. It takes NO SKILL to use the AR, or the storm Rifle, or suppressor. and it definitely takes 0 skill to use the jetpack. I love where 343 has taken halo 4, but the community shoots down everything 343 puts out. “oh the dmr is OP nerf it, the boltshot is stupid, the playlists are terrible.” thats a matter of opinion on all these things,and i think everything is great until everyone pulls out there full-autos and im the only one using the BR, then im attacked from all sides because my allies cant play halo and just spam the AR. if youre a "community, you should SUPPORT the people who made it and play it!

Another -Yoink- kisser…343 i love you…I would be deeply appreciative if you would refrain from speaking. this game really sucks because it´s suposed to continue where Halo 3 left but this game continues where COD 4 left of that´s true. And you will not get any especialization or something just by kiss 343 -Yoink-, they did a really bad job and they no it.