343 Is Manipulating You *Dramatically Throws Tinfoil Hat On The Ground*

I don’t want to waste anyone’s time with a wall of text, so I made a semi entertaining video to explain it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjVbFQgq1_c

343 Is 100% Listening To Feedback

The ultimate goal is to sell items in the shop. We’re straight up telling 343 what we are willing to pay. 343 could lower the store prices for a week or two, and see how the sales compare. If it doesn’t work, they can just make the prices whatever else they want. There is nothing stopping them from doing this. They are dragging their feet as hard as possible, just in the hopes that they can sway public opinion to believe these prices are normal. Don’t fall for their bull-Yoink!-.

Have you been wondering why 343 doesn’t implement any of the solutions the community suggests? Have you been wondering why 343 has been so ambiguous about the direction of their store? Does everything seem so simple to you, that you can’t understand why this is so complicated for 343? It’s because they’re waging a desperate Keynesian war against you (research Keynesian Beauty Contest, I promise it’s worth it). Every move they make is deliberate.

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If you are still willing to buy anything in the store after the update, you are part of the problem. You are one of the reasons the game industry is in the state it’s in. You are one of the reasons 343 launched an incomplete game and are fixing it at a snail’s pace. If you are ok with that, that’s fine. But stick around, and hopefully I can help you partially understand things from a different perspective.

I need to be very clear about this first thing. The updated store prices are still gouging. I know that you believe these prices are fair. You have your reasons for saying that, but you are objectively wrong. They are fair for you. That’s the point of calling you a whale. To the general population of the game, they are gouging. 343/Microsoft does this on purpose because they know if they normalize exceedingly high prices, more and more people will cave and buy them. That’s the reason you keep hearing people say that whales are all 343 cares about, and it’s partially the truth. They’re banking on the community believing that. Literally. They know that if we see other people are willing to pay these prices, they can convince us these prices are set in stone. If we believe the prices won’t change, we’ll buy just in case. They pretty much know that we have no self control over our panicky human brains. And they are hoping that panic brain will turn a previous non whale, into a whale.

And that’s why they designed the store from the ground up to help you part with your money. Want anything at all? You have to spend a minimum of $5. Why? If you’ve got a few extra credits laying around, you’ll probably be willing to buy more credits in the future. You’re just a few credits shy of that new item in the shop, right? Not sure if you want to buy something from the store today or this week? Well we’re going to imply that it probably won’t be coming back again. And if it does come back, we’re not gonna let you know when! Make sure you check the store everyday, so you don’t miss it! Or any of our other products ;^}. BTW, is there something that you liked in one of our previous games? We’re selling it as part of a $20 bundle! No, you can’t get an individual piece of the bundle for a lower cost! Why? Because legally we can call this a bundle and sell it for any amount we want. We know the government will never come in to regulate us, so it doesn’t matter. We can literally do whatever we want. In fact, these are “rare” now. And these are “legendary”. WE know these are arbitrary rankings made up by us, because there is no limit to the amount of items and almost none of them are acquired through grinding. But if YOU believe this false rarity is real, you might buy it ;^}!

I could go on, but I think the point here is made.

This store is intentionally as scummy as possible, and 343 lied to us about it the entire time leading up to the launch of the game. Especially about FOMO. And now they’ve again misled us for the last few weeks with their updated store claims. Telling us they’re “listening to the community”, yet I have seen literally no one asking for a helmet to be $7. That’s a joke. I saw people saying $5, and even then, most people weren’t agreeing with them. The average response was being willing to pay between $1 - $3, with the latter being most common. And a very common agreement on the price of most skins is for them to be $1. Not for basic colors like pink or white, but for more intricate patterns or gradients or simply anything that actually took artistic endeavor to create, not just a color on a spectrum. Same with visors. Not ONE SKIN (that would have been included in previous games) and ONE VISOR to be $4. And I know this is all speculation on my part. But I think we can at least all agree that the community is giving heavy feedback on what they think the price should be, and that price is not $7 for a helmet. Imagine being a company that gets this much feedback from their users, telling you exactly WHAT they’re willing to pay for and HOW MUCH they’re willing to pay, and then you just completely ignore them. Most marketing departments would cream their pants for that kind of data. And I’m sure I’m not the only one who expected more slots available in the store for individual items to appear, not them taking up established slots. I don’t actually care about this part that much because I’ve been boycotting the store since the game came out, but I imagine this has to frustrate a good amount of the people who do use the store regularly or were waiting for certain items to come back.

Look, If you buy that helmet, good for you. You probably live a comfortable life and I’m glad you have the luxury to do so. But don’t forget that you’re making a statement to 343 with that purchase. That you also believe everyone else who plays this game deserves to pay that much money as well. If you bought this helmet because ODST’s are your effing favorite part about Halo, I need you to think about this for a second. Every kid who’s picking up Halo for the first time, isn’t getting to fall in love with it like you did. You played campaign, you saw those badass helljumpers, and you made it your multiplayer helmet because you thought it was the coolest -Yoink!- in the world, and you wanted to represent it. A kid can’t do that anymore. They have to consciously decide whether or not it’s worth it to convince their parent/caretaker/someone to purchase it for $7. As a gaming community, we’re already outraged at that price. How many kids do you think will be able to convince a non-gamer to spend $7 on an online helmet? And yes, the battle pass does include a variation of the ODST helmet. But what do we do when $7 is the norm for helmet prices, and there aren’t variations of it somewhere? Is this the standard we want? Kids literally can’t experience falling in love with this game in the same way we did, purely because of corporate greed. These kids also don’t get to experience custom games, forge, or co-op campaign, but that’s just too much to get into at the moment.

IF YOU READ ONLY ONE PART, READ THIS PART
The craziest thing to me, is that the ultimate goal is to sell items in the shop. We’re straight up telling 343 what we are willing to pay. 343 could lower the store prices for a week or two, and see how the sales compare. If it doesn’t work, they can just make the prices whatever else they want. There is nothing stopping them from doing this. They are dragging their feet as hard as possible just in the hopes that they can sway public opinion to believe these prices are normal. Don’t fall for their bull-Yoink!-.

The bottom line is, 343 is incredibly greedy and the only way to combat them is to not give them your money. Yes, we all know this is stupid and it feels pointless (it’s not) and this isn’t how the world should work. And yet. Here we are. So find a reason you care about, to not give them money, and just stick with it. At least until they make improvements you feel are good enough to spend money on again. I personally have a plethora of reasons. Game crashes, desync/netcode, ranking system (almost every way it affects the game), sandbox imbalance, BTB, no custom games, no forge, rampant cheating in multiplayer, and ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE OVERPRICED STORE. Hopefully I’ve been able to expand anyone’s view of the situation. I also hope that the replies will help to expand my view.

TL;DR

-343 can lower and raise prices whenever and as many times as they want. They aren’t doing it because they want to convince you these prices are ok. They’re not.

-343 lied about the store prior to the launch and are still lying to this day

-the only thing you can do is not spend money

-Imagine being a kid and not being able to wear your favorite armor unless you begged your mom to pay for it. Would you have been able to fall in love with the game the same?

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Well you put dramatic in your thread title so makes sense.

What someone tells you and what they really feel are not always the same. The most simple way I can explain this is the obvious example of crap tons of people that ended up purchasing microtransactions anyways.

Also, what each person is willing to pay for X or for Y is completely subjective and unique to that individual. Hard to imagine a better method of gauging things then using real data and metrics.

Yes of course. Now I don’t know what other people remember well about the series, but the core gameplay, the modes, the features are what I cared about. My favorite memories of Halo 3 weren’t Hayabusa but the custom games, my favorite memories of Reach was the Forge World and the Campaign, my favorite memories of Halo 4 was BTB, etc.

Edit: anyways your thread is about what I expected it to be, come as you are, as a friend, as I know you to be.

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I can’t even spend the effort to take anything you said with value.

Yes, consumers should vote with their wallet which will lead to change for the product. You have failed to realize this game is beloved by many and it is infact a fun game. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean 343 are shills.

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While this is definitely dramatic, when you deal with finance in any way this Keynesian logic makes a lot more sense.

I understand this completely, and so does 343/Microsoft. They know that no matter what, someone somewhere is gonna suck up the bullcrap they peddle. And they also know that if one group of people are legitimately buying, they can convince more people to buy with social pressure. Most of us follow our friends off the bridge. If they hold out the prices, we’re more inclined to believe our purchase doesn’t make a difference. It does.

I appreciate this. I also shared most of these incredible memories, but the Halo campaigns and lore hold a very special place in my heart as well.

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Not a pointless bump, doing this late late at night so as not to disturb the flow of discussion during normal hours.
Did a general reformatting of the OP and thought of some better responses to what was said already.

Honestly, why did you even reply? I just went through your post history because I thought maybe we’d argued before and you were butthurt about it, which I get because I can be sort of aggressive sometimes. But it turns out all that happened was you didn’t get a response from me whatsoever when you replied to a thread I authored. Kind of funny that you would bother to come in here to talk about taking my opinion with value, when you are genuinely upset I didn’t value your opinion. Anyways, this part was loud and clear

You very obviously put no critical thought into listening what I had to say, and just started attacking me over nothing. I have not failed not realize this game is beloved by many. I am one of the many. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t love it so much and care about it. I also believe Infinite could have been the best/most fun Halo game to date, but 343 ruined that in so many ways. Mostly by not giving us a fully completed game and by not caring about their netcode. And I never said 343 were “shills”(you’re using this the wrong way rn) because I don’t like them. It’s a company. All companies are “shills”. I don’t like them because they take already scummy business practices in the video game industry and run with them. So excuse me for a making a very detailed and well thought out post in which I systematically explain why these practices are scummy and try to help the general community understand something that 343 would rather keep under wraps. Earlier I said I get aggressive sometimes, but generally that aggression comes from passion and not anger. Your aggression seems to purely derive from your anger. Like, you didn’t even make counter arguments. You just started defining me by assumptions, then attacking me based on them.

I just realized you never responded to this part here

Would this, in and of itself, not be a better measure of data than the one they rolled out with? The store at launch had no real metrics, it was entirely speculation based. Lowering prices even slightly above the common replies would give them a definitive metric of whether or not it’s worth it to keep prices low or high. “Common replies” meaning, a skin for a dollar, a helmet for $3, a bundle for around $7 or $8. Not saying that’s what I believe they should be, but we can probably agree that that’s the bell curve of where the community is generally falling. Instead, we’re getting $7 helmets, and $12 bundles, and no solo skin purchases in sight.

The only reason I could possibly think of for this: They don’t need metrics. They already know what we will do. They want to see if they can convince us to do new things, i.e., spend more money.

Well, for example, they implemented a Slayer Only Playlist. Wasn’t that a community suggestion?

Seems like you’re confusing correlation and causalities.

Shop-Updates have zero impact on gameplay, which is one reason why it’s quicker to implement them. Just because there hasn’t been much visible change until now doesn’t mean there is no progress. It just takes more time.

Bro - could you be more of a narcissist? I don’t track who I’m talking to lmao. I was going down the threads in order. I didn’t troll you but you apparently did to me which is creepy.

You should get off the internet and get a life if you’re going to creep on people.

Also, my comment still stands your opinion sucks in my opinion.

The funny thing about all this is that 343 played their greed hand so damn early with the insane prices and pissed everyone off.

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Corporation

Manipulation

Name a more iconic duo.

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Sorry but you’re incredibly naive if you think the main reason that the shop has been prioritized is because it’s easier and faster to fix.

It’s very obvious that this game needed another 3-6 months in production. The fact that it still released as scheduled should be evidence enough that their MO is to begin immediate work on recouping their return on investment.

The shop changes are likely driven mostly by sales data and not “player feedback.”

Would they have changed the shop if it worked really well for them: unlikely. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s a lot easier to change prices in the shop or do bundles that only contain one item (in effect selling items solo) by changing a few values in a database, than to actually fix a bug in the engine. If it was really about prioritization we likely would not have the talk about shop UI issues (because then they would work on the UI instead of other issues).

Saying that the game was released as scheduled is also not quite true. It was postponed by 12 months. That wasn’t enough quite obviously but saying they just went ahead and released no matter how it would be received isn’t quite what happened.

Sometimes I think there is just no middle ground between cheerleading and vilification in those discussions.

Picks up said tin foil hat off the ground and puts it on

DOWN WITH 343, SEND THEM TO THE GUILLOTONE

I think you’re giving 343 too much credit. Of course they’re pretending that changing the shop is an outcome of player feedback. That’s a load of BS though. Companies aren’t going to charge less for a product unless it means they’re going to increase their sales volume.

And it’s not just bugs, this game was purposely launched barebones with a 6 month long Season 1 for a reason, some execs obviously decided that it wasn’t financially feasible to push back anymore. They need to start seeing a return on investment for this 6 year project.

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Thanks for using paragraphs! You see the fact do the matter is that 343 was told by to make a comestibles shop that raked is x amount of cash by Microsoft. The game was first and foremost made to make money so the move to slash prices is a really big step toward the right direction. In terms of FOMO it is there with any timed ship but games like valorant have really carefully and clever lot designed shops that gobble your money. Infinite didn’t do that and the stuff in the shop isn’t like oh I need this because if I don’t buy it I will be the only without it forever but more of hey I like the death effect I might buy it. So yeah store is predatory but if riot games made a tiger 343 Made a disabled panda bear.

I was specifically referring to community suggestions of the shop itself, and it’s pricing.

Outside of the shop they have definitely taken a few things the community has been saying and listened. Just barely, but at least they aren’t completely ignoring the fans.

What are you trying to say here? Most of this is incoherent, and I don’t understand what the quote even means. But if you weren’t attacking me because you felt attacked from something else I said, do you mean to tell me you just come into every single thread, ignore the entire post, and attack the OP about stuff that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread? Because that’s what you’re saying here. You’re lazy and ornery, so I have literally zero respect for your opinion. Especially your opinion of my opinion.

That’s exactly one of the points I’m trying to make! If 343 wanted that sales data and the player feedback on the prices the community is suggesting, they would do it. They don’t do it because that’s not what they care about. They want to create an environment where people feel more comfortable about spending larger sums of money. But instead of creating a really good intuitive system that makes people feel rewarded for the money they spend, they’ve created an evil predatory cash grab.