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I remember when the Halo franchise was first given to 343. It was a time when many people hated Bungie for messing up Halo Reach. 343 proved their loyalty to the community as well as the franchise, as a whole, by delivering sweet new map packs to Halo Reach, removing bloom, rendering armor-lock useless, etc. I, personally, had complete faith in 343 Industries.
But then something happened.
I guess some good things don’t last long because my thoughts regarding 343 Industries slowly began to Change when Frank O’ Connor announced that they were not going to release a public beta for Halo 4. He mentioned that the company conducts their own private betas in order to fix any sort of glitches, etc.
It was right then and there when I had the feeling that 343 Industries was going to start trouble. Halo 3 and Halo Reach had a beta. Why not Halo 4? Could it be that 343 Industries, unlike Bungie, were so full of themselves that they figured that they didn’t need feedback from outside their company? hmmm…
There are times when I hate it when I’m right
I would later learn that the decision not launch a public beta for their game would reflect on the many other mistakes 343 Industries would make regarding Halo 4.
Now it has gone from simply being full of themselves to putting false words into the mouths of so many community members (GDC Panel). I just don’t understand how people can be so ignorant.
As much as I love Halo, and all of the memories that this franchise gave me, I just can’t follow it any longer than I already have. Slashing any community suggestions about what this franchise needs to be successful is one thing. But bluntly lying about that same community in front of a crowd is on another level.
This is why I’ve stopped referring to them as 343 Industries. It makes much more sense to call them 343 Ignorance now.
They are ignorant because they are all part of the same genre of gamer - casual, fun-loving, care-free gamers. Bravo is the closest thing we have to a competitive-minded player.
When your entire company is made up of a single mindset, and you decide against a beta with responses from the community, you ultimately fail to hear “the other side of the story”. This is why we have multiple Supreme Court Justices, multiple jurors, etc. One viewpoint is simply not enough to decide the fate of something.
For every decision 343 made in the planning process, there was an equally important but opposite decision that could have been made. Include the Red X? Don’t include the Red X? If everyone in 343 is part of the same category, then they all share the same viewpoints (or, at least, a high percentage of them). So when they decided against including a Red X, there was no one to explain the importance of having them, and so 343 was ignorant to the subject.
That’s basically what happened, and I doubt they’ll learn from their mistakes anytime soon. It’s clear they think they are near-perfect, and their responses to questions, criticism, and overall game reception have been poor. Remember the letter from O’Connor? “Yea, we messed up here, but we are still really good!” Did you read the latest Bulletin? “We currently have no plans to include these basic, fundamental features in our game.”
It only gets worse.
> For every decision 343 made in the planning process, there was an equally important but opposite decision that could have been made. Include the Red X? Don’t include the Red X? If everyone in 343 is part of the same category, then they all share the same viewpoints (or, at least, a high percentage of them). So when they decided against including a Red X, there was no one to explain the importance of having them, and so 343 was ignorant to the subject.
You seem to think that 343i exists and works in a bubble. You’re implying that they never for a second received input from Microsoft or the Halo community (such as it is). This is why you’re wrong.
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If 343i is the devil.
And there is no changing the devil.
Then what the -Yoink- are you still doing in hell?
5 months plus and people are still unhappy.
You tried.
But you failed.
Play something else please.
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I stopped playing Halo 4 awhile ago. However, I still check these forums from time to time. So when I heard about what happened at the GDC Panel, I just couldn’t help but to post my $0.02 about it.
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People are going to play what they want, man. If they find no enjoyment in it, but keep playing anyway, that’s on them. We’ve all played games we’ve regretted sooner or later.
Better to game yourself, than worry about how others game.
> You seem to think that 343i exists and works in a bubble. You’re implying that they never for a second received input from Microsoft or the Halo community (such as it is). This is why you’re wrong.
They stated “We listened to all the community feedback, and realised that players didn’t want an even playing field”. They are listening to a community, we just don’t know which one. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t exist.
This reminds me of the book Animal Farm…
Anyone else?
All animals are created equal… some are more equal than others.
Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance 343 didn’t have a public demo due to the fact that even weeks before launch it wasn’t ready to be launched and let me guess you think this due to the MP not SO or campain
> Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance 343 didn’t have a public demo due to the fact that even weeks before launch it wasn’t ready to be launched and let me guess you think this due to the MP not SO or campain
Did you ever try looking at your own punctuation?
But seriously, how am I being ignorant. I’m not the one whose putting words into peoples’ mouths.
> All animals are created equal… some are more equal than others.
In this case, casual gamers are obviously more equal.
> > You seem to think that 343i exists and works in a bubble. You’re implying that they never for a second received input from Microsoft or the Halo community (such as it is). This is why you’re wrong.
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> They stated “We listened to all the community feedback, and realised that players didn’t want an even playing field”. They are listening to a community, we just don’t know which one. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t exist.
I’m pretty sure they were talking about the progression system not putting people on an even playing field.
> > Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance 343 didn’t have a public demo due to the fact that even weeks before launch it wasn’t ready to be launched and let me guess you think this due to the MP not SO or campain
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> Did you ever try looking at your own punctuation?
> But seriously, how am I being ignorant. I’m not the one whose putting words into peoples’ mouths.
Ohh ho ho using a logical fallacy now are we you never answered my question
> > > You seem to think that 343i exists and works in a bubble. You’re implying that they never for a second received input from Microsoft or the Halo community (such as it is). This is why you’re wrong.
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> > They stated “We listened to all the community feedback, and realised that players didn’t want an even playing field”. They are listening to a community, we just don’t know which one. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t exist.
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> I’m pretty sure they were talking about the progression system not putting people on an even playing field.
How could you possibly be pretty sure of that? Their exact quote says “We listened to all the community feedback, and realised that players didn’t want an even playing field and put a progression system in.”
It sounds to me like they were talking about both of those things separately. It doesn’t make sense to just be talking about the progression system. Reach had one.
> > > Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance 343 didn’t have a public demo due to the fact that even weeks before launch it wasn’t ready to be launched and let me guess you think this due to the MP not SO or campain
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> > Did you ever try looking at your own punctuation?
> > But seriously, how am I being ignorant. I’m not the one whose putting words into peoples’ mouths.
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> Ohh ho ho using a logical fallacy now are we you never answered my question
The only question I could find in your mess of words was: “Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance?”
Since I’ve shown no signs of ignorance, I thought I might ask you about that.
And you said that Halo 4 was not ready to be released weeks before launch. (which was true). But let me enlighten you on a simple matter: If there was a beta, Halo 4 WOULD have been ready to be released.
> Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance 343 didn’t have a public demo due to the fact that even weeks before launch it wasn’t ready to be launched and let me guess you think this due to the MP not SO or campain
Then they shouldn’t have released the game that early.
I’ve said it from day one, Halo 4 is an unfinished product. I’m totally okay with that, and they’ve made progress over the past 5 months.
I have given them 6 months to turn this game around, and so far they have done a fantastic job, despite many mistakes along the way.
> > > > Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance 343 didn’t have a public demo due to the fact that even weeks before launch it wasn’t ready to be launched and let me guess you think this due to the MP not SO or campain
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> > > Did you ever try looking at your own punctuation?
> > > But seriously, how am I being ignorant. I’m not the one whose putting words into peoples’ mouths.
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> > Ohh ho ho using a logical fallacy now are we you never answered my question
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> The only question I could find in your mess of words was: “Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance?”
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> Since I’ve shown no signs of ignorance, I thought I might ask you about that.
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> And you said that Halo 4 was not ready to be released weeks before launch. (which was true). But let me enlighten you on a simple matter: If there was a beta, Halo 4 WOULD have been ready to be released.
No it wouldn’t have because then they would have to separate to monitor the beta and work on the game at the same time which wouldn’t help but have it be more incomplete then it was at launch
> > Did you ever try looking at your own ignorance 343 didn’t have a public demo due to the fact that even weeks before launch it wasn’t ready to be launched and let me guess you think this due to the MP not SO or campain
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> Then they shouldn’t have released the game that early.
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> I’ve said it from day one, Halo 4 is an unfinished product. I’m totally okay with that, and they’ve made progress over the past 5 months.
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> I have given them 6 months to turn this game around, and so far they have done a fantastic job, despite many mistakes along the way.
They couldn’t halt the release Microsoft didn’t allow a delay
