Here is my opinion on the Warthogs in Halo 5 (Minor Rant Coming):
Warthog (Req Level 2-3):
Warthogs are seriously weak as hell. The gunner is an easy target for anyone with a descent aim. Its a wonder nearly nobody calls them in. Seriously, i can not count how many times I call in a Warthog and end up wonder the entire map looking for someone to ride gunner. Sadly for me, I end up dying along the way on an empty Warthog. Even in BTB, most players avoid them. I understand they are a req level 2-3 and should be on par with level 2-3 req weapons. However, that was a terrible mistake. 343 should have made it a req level 3-4 and buffed it instead.
Rocket Hog (Req Level 5-6):
Why the hell is a Rocket Hog req level 5-6. It is nearly as bad as the regular warthog. I mean come on, who in their right mind calls in a rocket hog over a wraith. Nearly no one, thats who. Rocket Hogs should be req level 4-5 instead. Then, maybe they might get used.
Gauss Hog (Req Level 6-7):
Again, just like the Rocket Hog, this is way too high of a req level. I called in a Gauss Hog and ONE railgun shot killed both of us (WTF!). A scorpion and banshee, which cost less req energy, and damn better than a gauss hog in almost ever way is called in way more. So, why the hell does it cost 6-7 req energy to call that -Yoink- in?
It pisses me off to see these iconic vehicles reduced to such garbage. Please, 343 fix this!
EDIT: Don’t even get me started on the stupidly OP Plasma Pistol. Tell me why the -Yoink- a mother -Yoinking!- level 3 req item can take of my mother -Yoinking!- level 7 ONI Tank with on shot plus board? It has unbelievably OP homing and range, (WTF).
Here’s a link to a small script where 3 soldiers make fun of the warthog.
I feel like the normal hog needs more armor in general, to be honest.
It’s hardly ever used in BTB CTF because it has paper-thin armor. Or at the very least, tune explosive/power weapon damage against it so it doesn’t get one-shot by any minor power weapon.
Or give us more than one version so that we can choose between the two.
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> Warthog (Req Level 2-3):
> Warthogs are seriously weak as hell. The gunner is an easy target for anyone with a descent aim. Its a wonder nearly nobody calls them in. Seriously, i can not count how many times I call in a Warthog and end up wonder the entire map looking for someone to ride gunner. Sadly for me, I end up dying along on an empty Warthog. Even in BTB, most players avoid them. I understand they are a req level 2-3 and should be on par with level 2-3 req weapons. However, that was a terrible mistake. 343 should have made it a req level 3-4 and buffed it instead.
The default warthog is really good if you have someone who is good at driving and shooting from gunner seat.
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> I feel like the normal hog needs more armor in general, to be honest.
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> It’s hardly ever used in BTB CTF because it has paper-thin armor. Or at the very least, tune explosive/power weapon damage against it so it doesn’t get one-shot by any minor power weapon.
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> Or give us more than one version so that we can choose between the two.
I agree that it’s easier then ever to shoot the gunner off of the turret. But what I think is important is to have great communication between the driver and the gunner, you can call out targets, let each other know when your shield is down etc…
Sadly, as stated above, the armor is weak. But I think that this goes towards most vehicle’s in Halo 5, Tanks get destroyed easily by one Spartan with a DMR…
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> I agree that it’s easier then ever to shoot the gunner off of the turret. But what I think is important is to have great communication between the driver and the gunner, you can call out targets, let each other know when your shield is down etc…
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> Sadly, as stated above, the armor is weak. But I think that this goes towards most vehicle’s in Halo 5, Tanks get destroyed easily by one Spartan with a DMR…
Especially with the OP plasma pistol. That damn thing has stupidly OP homing and range. I don’t get way a mother -Yoinking!- level 3 req item can take out my mother -Yoinking!- level 7 ONI Tank. (WTF was 343 thinking!)
I agree with the rocket hog. The thing is difficult to get kills with, but I don’t agree with the gauss hog. If you have a good gunner that hits first shot every time with that thing you can go off. I’ve seen two gauss hogs completely trap a team and run them into the ground. I know it’s easy to shoot a gunner off of a turret, but a good gauss gunner will turn and kill anyone attempting a shot on them before they can kill them.
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> I agree with the rocket hog. The thing is difficult to get kills with, but I don’t agree with the gauss hog. If you have a good gunner that hits first shot every time with that thing you can go off. I’ve seen two gauss hogs completely trap a team and run them into the ground. I know it’s easy to shoot a gunner off of a turret, but a good gauss gunner will turn and kill anyone attempting a shot on them before they can kill them.
But a tank causes much more damage and has more armor. A banshee has two weapon choices and a large field on view (since its in the air). Bot cost less req energy than a guess hog. the only advantage of a guess hog is speed, but it takes two to operate and can be taken out two easily (1 railgun shot takes out an ONI Guess hog). Other than that, there is no point in calling in a guess hog over a tank or banshee. So why is it cost so much req energy?
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> > I agree with the rocket hog. The thing is difficult to get kills with, but I don’t agree with the gauss hog. If you have a good gunner that hits first shot every time with that thing you can go off. I’ve seen two gauss hogs completely trap a team and run them into the ground. I know it’s easy to shoot a gunner off of a turret, but a good gauss gunner will turn and kill anyone attempting a shot on them before they can kill them.
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> But a tank causes much more damage and has more armor. A banshee has two weapon choices and a large field on view (since its in the air). Bot cost less req energy than a guess hog. the only advantage of a guess hog is speed, but it takes two to operate and can be taken out two easily (1 railgun shot takes out an ONI Guess hog). Other than that, there is no point in calling in a guess hog over a tank or banshee. So why is it cost so much req energy?
That’s a good point. You could argue that because the tank is so slow that it’s easier to take out than the gauss hog though. One laser shot and a tank is gone. I get your point though. Maybe it’s just that I don’t want to see more gauss hogs running around because those things can be extremely difficult to deal with if more than 1 is out. We’ve taken out 4 of them before and it can not be countered easily at all. Even if you railgun one you won’t get another because you’ll be called out and one of the other gauss hogs will get you. Then the gunner from the one you just destroyed will call in another and the driver of the destoyed hog becomes the gunner starting a cycle.
Maybe I just have a different point of view because I’ve seen how much control can be taken with multiple gauss hogs from a coordinated team. Tanks can be taken out much more easily in my opinion. Laser, active camo, ect. Super easy to deal with.
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> > UnNerf the ONI Warthog!!!
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> I agree with this. Adding the cool down on the ONI warthog just makes it even worse
Agreed, I still like the ONI hog now, but it was even better when we didn’t have to deal with overheating.
Unfortunately I’m going to have to disagree, the warthog in this game is incredibly powerful, especially with the seat switching mechanic. The major issue you are having is likely poor driving; you need to understand that the hog is a light support vehicle, not a higher speed tank. You need to play more passively and stick in areas where you can stay under the cover of teamshot or backup other players in need. The truth of the matter is that warthog driving requires a much higher degree of map and situation awareness that most drivers, especially random drivers, usually never even consider.
If you need examples check out some of my clan’s hogging videos or tutorials, they can provide a lot of insight for the uninitiated. Old HWM forum post
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> Unfortunately I’m going to have to disagree, the warthog in this game is incredibly powerful, especially with the seat switching mechanic. The major issue you are having is likely poor driving; you need to understand that the hog is a light support vehicle, not a higher speed tank. You need to play more passively and stick in areas where you can stay under the cover of teamshot or backup other players in need. The truth of the matter is that warthog driving requires a much higher degree of map and situation awareness that most drivers, especially random drivers, usually never even consider.
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> If you need examples check out some of my clan’s hogging videos or tutorials, they can provide a lot of insight for the uninitiated.
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Actually, I’m a great driver. I average 4-5 assists when I’m driving a standard hog. I tend to find that gunner i get suck more than I do.
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> > Unfortunately I’m going to have to disagree, the warthog in this game is incredibly powerful, especially with the seat switching mechanic. The major issue you are having is likely poor driving; you need to understand that the hog is a light support vehicle, not a higher speed tank. You need to play more passively and stick in areas where you can stay under the cover of teamshot or backup other players in need. The truth of the matter is that warthog driving requires a much higher degree of map and situation awareness that most drivers, especially random drivers, usually never even consider.
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> > If you need examples check out some of my clan’s hogging videos or tutorials, they can provide a lot of insight for the uninitiated.
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> Actually, I’m a great driver. I average 4-5 assists when I’m driving a standard hog. I tend to find that gunner i get suck more than I do.
I’m not directly insulting your driving ability, but in general 80% of the warthog gunner’s deaths can be attributed to poor positioning by the driver. The only consistent circumstance where it’s the gunner’s fault is in a hog duel, in which it’s the gunner’s job to shoot out the enemy gunner.
Edit: I implore you to read through that guide if you have the time, regardless of how good someone is, they could always afford to learn something new.
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> > I thought you said this was a minor rant.
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> You wouldn’t call it that? I could have gotten more into it, but i held back.
It’s definitely a minor rant, some people on waypoint practically write out books on here