What we know so far about the storm
The elites after the war were on their last leg. They had no way to repair ships, or even their field equipment as that was the job of the prophets. With no faith to lead them they started a war with the brutes, in a trail of revenge and blood lust. This path lead to their large crumble as more and more of their ships, weapons, and even armor fell apart. After the war with the brutes was over the arbitor had seen the crumbling and knew that a truce with humans was the only way to survive. A wrather large splitter faction was made in protest of this treaty of peace, to turn their enemy to a friend and show weakness was a teeth grinding event to them. So now the elites are at a civil war. The storm covies are mainly a rag tag team of aliens who believe the humans are evil and that the forerunner are gods.
intruth the real covenant disbanded some time ago
the storm covies are a newly founded covenant
so basically a covenant mark 2 down grade.
I had to read the books, constantly check the wiki for updates, and read user post on the forums to get this information. Not once is any of it even mentioned in the game. Any one who doesn’t touch the books ether because of money shortage or just not liking books will not know any of this. Sure we got some great story and new cannon for the forerunners but the storm, are first enemy and are most numerous get nothing. Ya I get you explained some stuff in the books but in truth that isn’t the best way to get out information about them. The biggest mystery of the storm was how their appearance changed, something 343 promised thy would inform us about. Please 343, for us lore hounds, throw a bone at us.
As much as I loved the campaign, I’ll admit that they really didn’t explain the rise of the Storm Covenant very well in game… or at all, really. People who don’t read the books will be confused as to why they are still at war with the Covenant.
“A lot can change in four years,” Contana said. Well, explain what happened.
In Halo 4 itself your only knowledge of them being a separate faction is when Cortana mentions they aren’t outfitted like Covenant military and when Chief says they seem more fanatical than previously encountered Covenant forces =/
Jul doesn’t even make an appearance in the game, which you’d think he’d be in since he’s the leader of the Storm faction.
> In Halo 4 itself your only knowledge of them being a separate faction is when Cortana mentions they aren’t outfitted like Covenant military and when Chief says they seem more fanatical than previously encountered Covenant forces =/
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> Jul doesn’t even make an appearance in the game, which you’d think he’d be in since he’s the leader of the Storm faction.
it be funny as hell if he was the poor victim of the infinities splatter out of hyper drive
> As much as I loved the campaign, I’ll admit that they really didn’t explain the rise of the Storm Covenant very well in game… or at all, really. People who don’t read the books will be confused as to why they are still at war with the Covenant.
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> “A lot can change in four years,” Contana said. Well, explain what happened.
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this is a obvious need and it needs to be known
> > In Halo 4 itself your only knowledge of them being a separate faction is when Cortana mentions they aren’t outfitted like Covenant military and when Chief says they seem more fanatical than previously encountered Covenant forces =/
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> > Jul doesn’t even make an appearance in the game, which you’d think he’d be in since he’s the leader of the Storm faction.
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> it be funny as hell if he was the poor victim of the infinities splatter out of hyper drive
IIRC, Jul Madama (the leader of the Covenant Remnant aka The Storm) doesn’t really believe the Forerunners are gods but took advantage of the Elites on that one planet (i forgot the name but he was teleported there). Since those Elites were incredibly out of the loop, they were still fanatical; which provided Madama with his army. I am not exactly sure how the ships in his command are not falling apart unless they found some Huragok (Engineers) or have become adept in the ways of technology and repair.
The main reason is to avenge the death of wife, who dies in in The Thursday War. That’s the main motivation of The Storm for destroying humanity and coming to Requiem to wake up the Didact from his cat nap. By waking up their “god”, the blasphemers who fail to recognize Forerunner divinity (Humanity and Aribter’s supporters) must be cleansed from the galaxy. Basically, Madama is Truth 2.0.
I probably got some details mixed up, sorry about that. I am going off the top of my head :P. It is rather odd that Jul is neither referenced nor makes in appearance in the Campaign.
> IIRC, Jul Madama (the leader of the Covenant Remnant aka The Storm) doesn’t really believe the Forerunners are gods but took advantage of the Elites on that one planet (i forgot the name but he was teleported there). Since those Elites were incredibly out of the loop, they were still fanatical; which provided Madama with his army. I am not exactly sure how the ships in his command are not falling apart unless they found some Huragok (Engineers) or have become adept in the ways of technology and repair.
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> The main reason is to avenge the death of wife, who dies in in The Thursday War. That’s the main motivation of The Storm for destroying humanity and coming to Requiem to wake up the Didact from his cat nap. By waking up their “god”, the blasphemers who fail to recognize Forerunner divinity (Humanity and Aribter’s supporters) must be cleansed from the galaxy. Basically, Madama is Truth 2.0.
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> I probably got some details mixed up, sorry about that. I am going off the top of my head :P. It is rather odd that Jul is neither referenced nor makes in appearance in the Campaign.
I’ve read the books. I just think that for players who haven’t, they will be confused as to what the hell is going on with the new Covenant. This is because the game does not explain to you what happened during those four years. I’m surprised that the Infinity crew doesn’t brief the player (John) on what the hell has been going on these past four years. He doesn’t even ask about the S-IV’s.
> How do you expect them to explain it?
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> Chief & Cortana know nothing of the Storm faction, other than they are hostile and enemies.
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> Unless I missed something entirely?
Like i said, have the Infinity crew explain things to John after he saves Lasky and Palmer (maybe after the Infinity is saved). It doesn’t have to be long, just a brief run-down on what’s been going on these past few years.
> How do you expect them to explain it?
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> Chief & Cortana know nothing of the Storm faction, other than they are hostile and enemies.
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> Unless I missed something entirely?
John and cortana arnt the only character sin game who speak
they could have easily asked about the covies or even it could have been explained in a terminal or spart ops
> They don’t need to explain it better that’s what the books are for.
The problem is that not everyone reads the books (I do, but that’s a different matter). I’m going to go out on a limb and say that a majority of Halo players have never even looked at a Halo book. It wouldn’t take much time for the Infinity crew to give John a brief run-down about what the heck has been happening in the last four years that he has been gone. Explain it to John and you explain it to the player. Simple.
> > How do you expect them to explain it?
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> > Chief & Cortana know nothing of the Storm faction, other than they are hostile and enemies.
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> John and cortana arnt the only character sin game who speak
> they could have easily asked about the covies or even it could have been explained in a terminal or spart ops
To be fair, if people were that much interested, they could research it and buy the books to learn about it, that is their purpose.
If you ask me, the part when Cortana said that the enemies were different from the normal Covenant was good enough for me, and the opening cinematic of Spartan Ops telling you that these Covenant believe Requiem is home to one of their gods summed it up too.
> > IIRC, Jul Madama (the leader of the Covenant Remnant aka The Storm) doesn’t really believe the Forerunners are gods but took advantage of the Elites on that one planet (i forgot the name but he was teleported there). Since those Elites were incredibly out of the loop, they were still fanatical; which provided Madama with his army. I am not exactly sure how the ships in his command are not falling apart unless they found some Huragok (Engineers) or have become adept in the ways of technology and repair.
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> > The main reason is to avenge the death of wife, who dies in in The Thursday War. That’s the main motivation of The Storm for destroying humanity and coming to Requiem to wake up the Didact from his cat nap. By waking up their “god”, the blasphemers who fail to recognize Forerunner divinity (Humanity and Aribter’s supporters) must be cleansed from the galaxy. Basically, Madama is Truth 2.0.
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> > I probably got some details mixed up, sorry about that. I am going off the top of my head :P. It is rather odd that Jul is neither referenced nor makes in appearance in the Campaign.
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> I’ve read the books. I just think that for players who haven’t, they will be confused as to what the hell is going on with the new Covenant. This is because the game does not explain to you what happened during those four years. I’m surprised that the Infinity crew doesn’t brief the player (John) on what the hell has been going on these past four years. He doesn’t even ask about the S-IV’s.
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> > How do you expect them to explain it?
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> > Chief & Cortana know nothing of the Storm faction, other than they are hostile and enemies.
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> Like i said, have the Infinity crew explain things to John after he saves Lasky and Palmer (maybe after the Infinity is saved). It doesn’t have to be long, just a brief run-down on what’s been going on these past few years.
I guess 343 didn’t want that much exposition in the game? Usually when games have too much, it’s knocked down a peg for that.
Still, i do agree in that there isn’t an attempt to address the Storm. I don’t recall them ever being called that in game either. While it’s certainly no problem for us who dabble in teh Halopedia/books, the fans who don’t read the books (the average joe game who likes Halo) isn’t going to be able to put two to two together right away (if at all and walk away confused before going back to shooting things).
Same goes with the Librarian speech. So much awesome lore and themes that must have went over people’s heads. I mean think about it; you stop following Halo after 2/3 and didn’t read the books. Forerunner-Human War, the Didact, Librarian and all that awesome stuff a lot of people don’t know about. Major head scratching there, which is odd because i recall 343 wanted to avoid that.
Reading the books will enrich your experience but in Halo 4, it’s almost a requirement to avoid confusion. Then the terminals…so much content that should have been in game ;/ Perfectly explains the backstory and motivations for key characters in the story and no doubt would have paved the way for longer cutscenes (not that Halo 4 is lacking in that regard mind you).
> > They don’t need to explain it better that’s what the books are for.
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> The problem is that not everyone reads the books (I do, but that’s a different matter). I’m going to go out on a limb and say that a majority of Halo players have never even looked at a Halo book. It wouldn’t take much time for the Infinity crew to give John a brief run-down about what the heck has been happening in the last four years that he has been gone. Explain it to John and you explain it to the player. Simple.
I get that but my point is Halo isn’t a fledgling franchise any more and the books have become a bigger part of the growing universe. As a result players/fans will need the books to completely understand what’s going on and if 343i did explain everything in the game then there is no point in having the books.
> > > They don’t need to explain it better that’s what the books are for.
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> > The problem is that not everyone reads the books (I do, but that’s a different matter). I’m going to go out on a limb and say that a majority of Halo players have never even looked at a Halo book. It wouldn’t take much time for the Infinity crew to give John a brief run-down about what the heck has been happening in the last four years that he has been gone. Explain it to John and you explain it to the player. Simple.
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> I get that but my point is Halo isn’t a fledgling franchise any more and the books have become a bigger part of the growing universe. As a result players/fans will need the books to completely understand what’s going on and if 343i did explain everything in the game then there is no point in having the books.
That’s not entirely true. Some people will still want details and will go read the books. Hell, maybe people will want to go and read the books to get details as to what exactly happen. Just because you explain the situation (what’s up with this new Covenant) doesn’t mean you have to explain everything with every minute detail.
Halo does well with it’s books, but essential knowledge (such as why the Covenant are at war with us again?) shouldn’t have to be obtained from the books, especially when a short run-down would only take like a minute to give. The books should enrich the Halo experience, not be required to understand the story. I thought that’s what 343i was trying to prevent?
> > > How do you expect them to explain it?
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> > > Chief & Cortana know nothing of the Storm faction, other than they are hostile and enemies.
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> > > Unless I missed something entirely?
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> > John and cortana arnt the only character sin game who speak
> > they could have easily asked about the covies or even it could have been explained in a terminal or spart ops
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> To be fair, if people were that much interested, they could research it and buy the books to learn about it, that is their purpose.
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> If you ask me, the part when Cortana said that the enemies were different from the normal Covenant was good enough for me, and the opening cinematic of Spartan Ops telling you that these Covenant believe Requiem is home to one of their gods summed it up too.
some people cant even touch the books
a lot of halo players dont even get it in their country.
And there are huge un answered components for those who are coming fresh from halo 3.
what happened to the truce
How is there still a covenant when I blew it up, killed their leaders, and killed their god.
why do they look so different from the ones i fought before (This was promised by 343 to be answered IN GAME but wasnt)
Ya the books are good info but its meant for a deeper reason, a simple explanation is all that was needed from the game but was never given.
> How do you expect them to explain it?
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> Chief & Cortana know nothing of the Storm faction, other than they are hostile and enemies.
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> Unless I missed something entirely?
Cortana is a AI so powerful that she interacts with Forerunner tech like some one figuring out how to hit a ball with a bat. It could have been tremendously easy to have one mission where they actually board a Covenant ship and scan their databases for an explanation. Maybe a mission like 117 suggest at the start about hijacking a Covie ship to get home. Because seriously… this game explained absolutely nothing about this new Covenant and that was a tremendous flaw in the story. Mentioning a few lines about being equipped and fighting differently dont help one single bit at all.
The fact that these boards are filling me out the story for me is a big problem. The main story for the Halo universe should be happening in the games and the books should be used to expand on that, the books shouldn’t be used to bring up major plot points, the books should be used to fill in stuff.