Halo 4s matchmaking system killed a huge part of the halo community
The halo community will be growing a lot in the next month because of the “50k tournament”
If there are more people competing, more casual players will play halo 4
What makes halo 3 good and why halo 3 had more people playing halo 3 than halo 4 a couple of months ago was how simple the game is
Halo 4 has too much going on in the matchmaking, making it a horrible experience. Not enough is balanced correctly in the matchmaking, there are too any perks and armor abilities that make for an unfair advantage with radar on top of sprint.
People who are good at halo don’t care about “Halo top 200” because no one is trying to play garbage settings.
The upcoming tournaments have no sprint, no radar, and br start. Simplicity what makes a good game is how simple and balanced it can be
Other franchises are so successful because of how simple and balanced they can make a game.
Here goes your 3rd shot to stabilize your regular community, start listening to the people who actually play the game not the people who sit on their laptops, never play, and tell you what they think a good game is.
Competitive playlists don’t have radar, take that garbage off. I appreciate that the ranking system is more stable but people who play for competition don’t play matchmaking they play custom games where setting are modified and manipulated. Please look at the settings people play all day in custom games and you might learn what people want to play.
You can do it for husky raid but you can’t do it for competitive settings? Like I said earlier you will have a 3rd shot at stabilizing your community again because of more competitive players coming back to play halo 4 for tournaments, please put in good and fair game types please balance out your matchmaking and don’t take 6 months again to fix your mistakes.
I agree, it would be nice if 343i would use a little bit of common sense (though I have very little faith they will) and use competitive settings with no sprint so that players pay for making stupid choices mid-game and not dying because of it. Instead of listening to the ten thousand CoD rejects that play matchmaking, they should listen to the million players that left.
However, the problem is that even if this turns out really well (which I highly doubt because 343i) it won’t really bring much people back. That’s because it’s too late for this game and most people are already gone.
The only way to regrow the community is to ensure that the next Halo title is actually a Halo game out the box and not a mess.
> What makes halo 3 good and why halo 3 had more people playing halo 3 than halo 4 a couple of months ago was how simple the game is
Also it was free.
> Other franchises are so successful because of how simple and balanced they can make a game.
What, like Call of Duty?
> start listening to the people who actually play the game not the people who sit on their laptops, never play, and tell you what they think a good game is.
I’m not sure what to make of this. The people who are playing the game are the ones who actually like the game as it is, and that doesn’t fit with the rest of your post.
> Competitive playlists don’t have radar, take that garbage off.
I think this might contradict what you we saying about Halo 3 a bit. Radar is pretty standard for Halo. And I think I could argue that both radar on and off require equal amounts of skill, but just in different ways. IE- Sure, now we both know where the opponent is and don’t have to rely as much on teamwork, but now actual gunplay plays a bigger role than “who-saw-who-first?”.
So, overall OP, I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. That they should make a new playlist using the settings from super-competitive custom games? Sure then. I think the upcoming Proving Grounds will work fine though, even with sprint and radar.
I just want the old playlists back. They were great and lots of people were playing. But then 343i attempted to “improve” them and it didn’t go to well to say the least.
> I just want the old playlists back. They were great and lots of people were playing. But then 343i attempted to “improve” them and it didn’t go to well to say the least.
I think you have things messed up. 343 only began their consolidation efforts AFTER the population dropped.
I agree. Top 200 is a joke. The system is so easy to manipulate. On top of that, it punishes you for winning.
Matchmaking in this game is horrible. You can’t find any games. Most of the kids you match either aren’t worth playing, quit out when they’re losing, or back out in the lobby. It’s rare to find a decent match.
> > I just want the old playlists back. They were great and lots of people were playing. But then 343i attempted to “improve” them and it didn’t go to well to say the least.
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> I think you have things messed up. 343 only began their consolidation efforts AFTER the population dropped.
And their improvements really improved the population didn’t they? I’m mean, look at it now.
> And their improvements really improved the population didn’t they? I’m mean, look at it now.
From what I can tell the population has been holding a steady (though low) number for a while now. I would consider that an improvement over a steady and also high drop in a larger population.
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> I agree, it would be nice if 343i would use a little bit of common sense (though I have very little faith they will) and use competitive settings with no sprint so that players pay for making stupid choices mid-game and not dying because of it. Instead of listening to the ten thousand CoD rejects that play matchmaking, they should listen to the million players that left.
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> However, the problem is that even if this turns out really well (which I highly doubt because 343i) it won’t really bring much people back. That’s because it’s too late for this game and most people are already gone.
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> The only way to regrow the community is to ensure that the next Halo title is actually a Halo game out the box and not a mess.
The ten thousand cod rejects that still play match making? ok I will let that pass, and assume you’re not very bright. Why should 343 listen to the people that deserted halo, rather then the players that continue to support it?
I read someone post something that made a lot of sense I’m sorry I can’t remember his name to quote him but,
The casual players don’t care but they play just to play then there’s a mid level of players who play to win but don’t want to compete because they lack time, motivation, or confidence. Although mid-level players are good they don’t want to play competitive and then there’s the competitive players, they understand the game better than anyone else and although there isn’t many their opinion is the most important because they understand what is good and what isn’t.
I’m not trying to say I know more than anyone else, this is all opinionated, I believe competitive playlists don’t deserve radar or sprint, I’ve played longer than most people and am better than most of you and I have an opinion of how halo should be, it gets me mad that no one good will play the new playlist I will never get to play a good game.
Adding a radar in my opinion makes people better than what they really are because it gives them a heads up, have grenade markers makes people better than what they are, not being able to be shot out of scope makes them than they really are.
I just want a playlist that has the correct settings, correct maps, and players at my level that’s what makes the game fun. Playing games that are own by 1-8 kills not by beating a team by 20 every game. Halo has become so frustrating, the only good games are in custom games and good players will not play matchmaking.
Because when making a competitive playlist you ask people who play competitive not people who play big team or team slayer.
Your opinion is almost worthless
> Because when making a competitive playlist you ask people who play competitive not people who play big team or team slayer.
> Your opinion is almost worthless
Who are you talking to?
(use ‘quote’ button under the comment…)
But actually there are players who are competitive in Team Slayer…
Radar won’t really break the game too much or make it more hectic, although it will add some better awareness for players, giving them a chance to plan ahead of time, however it may speed up or slow down gameplay…
Sprint is seriously not ‘gamebreaking’ but it pushes the kill times too far sometimes and can give players who are about to die, the ability to survive and kill the others…These are issues… the maps have to be built to support sprint more easily and there should be a way to kill those ‘runners’ although it in no way will mess things up to a great extreme…only partially.
While I do agree with your simplicity statement being what got halo very large, it is not needed to make it any better or worse. However it does sacrifice the immediate play feature, it doesn’t detract much at all…
No sprint can be controversial but no radar doesn’t need to be changed or removed…
I mean the kill time is faster on halo 4, sprint teaches people to do bad decisions, grenade indicators take skill away, radar take skill away, the sound is too load, these are flaws
But I agree most of these don’t completely kill the game alone but together it becomes unbearable
> Because when making a competitive playlist you ask people who play competitive not people who play big team or team slayer.
> Your opinion is almost worthless
One of the hardest things about discussing on this forum, is the fact that too many so called competitive players let their egos over ride their brains. It may surprise you, but halo wasn’t designed just to meet the demands of the competitive crowd.
the value of an opinion concerning halo as a game, is not determined by some ones csr, you need to get over yourself a bit.
> > Because when making a competitive playlist you ask people who play competitive not people who play big team or team slayer.
> > Your opinion is almost worthless
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> One of the hardest things about discussing on this forum, is the fact that too many so called competitive players let their egos over ride their brains. It may surprise you, but halo wasn’t designed just to meet the demands of the competitive crowd.
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> the value of an opinion concerning halo as a game, is not determined by some ones csr, you need to get over yourself a bit.
Isn’t it funny that the people like you who give feedback about stuff you want made halo have the lowest population? Isn’t that funny?
> > > Because when making a competitive playlist you ask people who play competitive not people who play big team or team slayer.
> > > Your opinion is almost worthless
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> > One of the hardest things about discussing on this forum, is the fact that too many so called competitive players let their egos over ride their brains. It may surprise you, but halo wasn’t designed just to meet the demands of the competitive crowd.
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> > the value of an opinion concerning halo as a game, is not determined by some ones csr, you need to get over yourself a bit.
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> Isn’t it funny <mark>that the people like you who give feedback about stuff you want made halo have the lowest population</mark>? Isn’t that funny?
Care to back this up? Most the opinions you’ve expressed in this post are subjective nitpicks or plain wrong, but I’m honestly more interested in seeing you justify a lot of what you’ve said here as anything other than baseless elitism.