okay it’s time to face fact. 343 do not care about the community. Right now some of you may be wondering : ‘What are you talking about? 343 loves the community’ but then ask yourself this question. If 343 TRULY cares about the community then why are there still countless bugs and glitches in the game that haven’t been fixed? Why did they choose 1080p and 60fps over splitscreen? Why were core, fan favourite game modes like Infection and Grifball released MONTHS after the game released? Why are classic game modes like KOTH and Oddball STILL not in the game? Why are we only getting a content browser for forge NOW even tough the game has been out for almost a year? Why did they refuse to put playable elites in the MP even tough there have been countless forum posts begging for this feature? Why did they kill off Fan Favourites Black Team just moments after they brought them back? And why do we have things like sprint and ads even tough we have despised sprint since Reach?
now I want to make this perfectly clear. I don’t want to hate on 343. I’m not someone who says : ‘343 are stupid, Bring back Bungie!!!’ or any of the bullsh*t. PLEASE if even one 343 employee is reading this post then PLEASE pass this on to higher officials at 343 before you start doing more things that will strengthen the community’s hatred against you.
Even tough 343 say that they care about the community, it’s things like these that make people doubt. It doesn’t take much to loose one of your most loyal fans FOREVER…
EDIT : Altough 343 want halo to evolve and keep up with other modern FPS some franchises don’t have to evolve. Let’s look at Call of Duty for example. COD has been lambasted by critics and gamers for being to similar to the previous entrys but the community still loved the games and the negative reception of infinite warfares futuristic setting shows that the community want the normal COD not some futuristic titanfall/halo rip off. Remember 343, everything you do to try bring more casual gamers to halo doesn’t appeal to the long time fans that got Halo to where it is now.
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They only care about the money they get from MTs and their main focus is on dilluting the req system. I believe it’s time for new Halo devs.
I’ve read more than a few threads that are similar to this one and there’s a vein of truth that runs through them all even when the tone of the post is whiny and entitled (not saying that about this particular one, only that they often are). So I can appreciate the desire to see Halo return to some previous formula, and bring back a few lost fan-favorite features. But threads like this, no matter how genuinely felt and passionately argued, still always read to me like looking a gift horse in the mouth. It reads like none of the new and amazing (game-making, in my opinion) features of Halo 5 matter in the slightest. All that seems to matter is what they took away. I don’t know if it has to be an either/or proposition, but if they told me that we could have splitscreen and elites and “complete at launch” and anything else you care to name… or we could have warzone? That’s not even a contest. Screw all that other trivial nonsense - I’ll take warzone, a feature which even in its highly flawed state, is worth the multiplayer of every previous Halo combined (imo).
Sure it would be nice if we could have it all, but name any other commodity you can think of that gets bigger, better, more feature-laden, and more fun every single time you replace an old one with a new one… and where the price never goes up. You can’t. It doesn’t exist. The idea that games can just keep giving us everything we ever wanted plus a lot of new stuff that we didn’t even know that we want… and never get any more expensive… is just completely unrealistic. That’s where the delays come in. That’s where the microtransactions come in. That’s where less popular content will get cut. It’s a business, people, not a charity. I won’t speak for anyone else, but I’ve got way more than $60 worth of bang out of this game already and it’s far from over.
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> okay it’s time to face fact. 343 do not care about the community. Right now some of you may be wondering : ‘What are you talking about? 343 loves the community’ but then ask yourself this question. If 343 TRULY cares about the community then why are there still countless bugs and glitches in the game that haven’t been fixed? Why did they choose 1080p and 60fps over splitscreen? Why were core, fan favourite game modes like Infection and Grifball released MONTHS after the game released? Why are classic game modes like KOTH and Oddball STILL not in the game? Why are we only getting a content browser for forge NOW even tough the game has been out for almost a year? Why did they refuse to put playable elites in the MP even tough there have been countless forum posts begging for this feature? Why did they kill off Fan Favourites Black Team just moments after they brought them back? And why do we have things like sprint and ads even tough we have despised sprint since Reach?
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> now I want to make this perfectly clear. I don’t want to hate on 343. I’m not someone who says : ‘343 are stupid, Bring back Bungie!!!’ or any of the bullsh*t. PLEASE if even one 343 employee is reading this post then PLEASE pass this on to higher officials at 343 before you start doing more things that will strengthen the community’s hatred against you.
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> Even tough 343 say that they care about the community, it’s things like these that make people doubt. It doesn’t take much to loose one of your most loyal fans FOREVER…
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> EDIT : Altough 343 want halo to evolve and keep up with other modern FPS some franchises don’t have to evolve. Let’s look at Call of Duty for example. COD has been lambasted by critics and gamers for being to similar to the previous entrys but the community still loved the games and the negative reception of infinite warfares futuristic setting shows that the community want the normal COD not some futuristic titanfall/halo rip off. Remember 343, everything you do to try bring more casual gamers to halo doesn’t appeal to the long time fans that got Halo to where it is now.
If they don’t care about the community why didn’t they continue down the path of Halo 4 and keep loadouts or ordnance. Instead they listened to the community and added equal starts. And then they added a human air vehicle, brought classic weapons and are soon bringing a custom game browser which fans have been asking for since halo 3. They added a new version of firefight but since it’s not exactly like bungies firefight that means they don’t care to some people. If they don’t care why would they go through the effort of fixing any bugs at all, go check out the ghosts of Meridian update to see what they fixed, there not going to be able to fix every bug, I don’t see how that means they don’t care. People complained about how halo 4 wasn’t competitive enough and now look at halo 5 while it may be too competitive now, it’s definitely more competitive than halo 4.
Well you don’t care about english.“Do not care about” is already wrong.Stop hate posting.It is getting pretty annoying.
Another thing to note here is Microsoft. They play a big part in its downfall. They don’t care about the community. They care about money. Simple as that. And since 343i was born out of Microsoft, they have to listen to everything they say. ADS and enhanced mobility mechanics were Microsoft’s idea. To try and bring in more genres of gamers and therefore more money. However if you look at the sales of this game its failed quite miserably. It’s hard to say whether or not they’ll be smart and drop them in Halo 6.
This game is unpolished why? Let me throw this out there. Forge wasn’t released until months after Halo 5’s release. Which makes me think that this game wasn’t supposed to be released until sometime around November. But it was pushed out earlier to compete with all the fall releases. Therefore rushing 343 and not giving them proper time to finish the game and properly polish it. The same thing happened with the MCC. Microsoft pushed it so it would release with the Xbox One. They pushed it to be an Amazing game where you could have 4 games on one disk. They pushed too far and therefore it wasn’t not complete and is still broken to this day.
Microsoft is also behind the Highly controversial Microtransactions. And once they find out how much money this BS Month of Mythic thing makes them there will be more to come.
I honestly believe that 343 has the highest interests in keeping the Halo franchise alive. After all it was built from past Bungie employees and fans. Thats not to say there are problems with 343. Because there most definitely are. One of which is poor management. But I think a large majority of Halo’s failure recently is due to Microsoft and their lack of love for the series and only worrying about the cash. I honestly believe that if they didn’t have this leash on 343 that they could create an amazing halo game.
That is not true at all, 343 does care. More than bungie did thats for sure
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> I’ve read more than a few threads that are similar to this one and there’s a vein of truth that runs through them all even when the tone of the post is whiny and entitled (not saying that about this particular one, only that they often are). So I can appreciate the desire to see Halo return to some previous formula, and bring back a few lost fan-favorite features. But threads like this, no matter how genuinely felt and passionately argued, still always read to me like looking a gift horse in the mouth. It reads like none of the new and amazing (game-making, in my opinion) features of Halo 5 matter in the slightest. All that seems to matter is what they took away. I don’t know if it has to be an either/or proposition, but if they told me that we could have splitscreen and elites and “complete at launch” and anything else you care to name… or we could have warzone? That’s not even a contest. Screw all that other trivial nonsense - I’ll take warzone, a feature which even in its highly flawed state, is worth the multiplayer of every previous Halo combined (imo).
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> Sure it would be nice if we could have it all, but name any other commodity you can think of that gets bigger, better, more feature-laden, and more fun every single time you replace an old one with a new one… and where the price never goes up. You can’t. It doesn’t exist. The idea that games can just keep giving us everything we ever wanted plus a lot of new stuff that we didn’t even know that we want… and never get any more expensive… is just completely unrealistic. That’s where the delays come in. That’s where the microtransactions come in. That’s where less popular content will get cut. It’s a business, people, not a charity. I won’t speak for anyone else, but I’ve got way more than $60 worth of bang out of this game already and it’s far from over.
You would rather have warzone then game modes that are still missing,splitscreen,and playable elites…wow idk how to respond to that
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> That is not true at all, 343 does care. More than bungie did thats for sure
How exactly
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They listen to many of the problems the community brings them, not at are fixed right away but they are getting there.
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10 months after launch and there missing game modes that have been in halo for many years and they straight up poop on previous lore
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> That is not true at all, 343 does care. More than bungie did thats for sure
You are really, REALLY going to need to expand on that one more. You can’t just come in and give us that comment without anything to back it up.
im a huge halo fan, but honestly halo 4 and 5 are bad. It doen not even feel like halo at all hell if doesnt even feel like your a Spartan anymore. 4 and 5 had good stories just 343 cant do halo right. if obly bungie coulda kept halo.
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Halo as a franchise started to die out with reach. Bungie wasn’t really listening at that point. Halo suffered because of it. 343 has been listening making changes here and there where needed, yes there still are things that need fixed. But i might add there isn’t one game out there that is perfect. I try to stay unbiased in every thread. I always defend 343 because I’m not pulled against them because no one ever gives great enough evidence towards it. We should appreciate halo for what it is, 343 is doing a pretty good job. The campaign was a little iffy, but none the less still good. The multiplayer is quite nice too, it is still growing i might add. At its core Halo 5 is good, 343 will do even greater with halo 6.
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> Halo as a franchise started to die out with reach. Bungie wasn’t really listening at that point. Halo suffered because of it. 343 has been listening making changes here and there where needed, yes there still are things that need fixed. But i might add there isn’t one game out there that is perfect. I try to stay unbiased in every thread. I always defend 343 because I’m not pulled against them because no one ever gives great enough evidence towards it. We should appreciate halo for what it is, 343 is doing a pretty good job. The campaign was a little iffy, but none the less still good. The multiplayer is quite nice too, it is still growing i might add. At its core Halo 5 is good, 343 will do even greater with halo 6.
Bungie stopped listening at that point because Reach was supposed to be the LAST Halo game, at least by them. There was no point to listen anymore as they were about to shift focus to Destiny. And no, we shouldn’t appreciate Halo for what it is. I -Yoinking!- hate that argument. What if, years down the line, Halo becomes the worst series ever, scoring around 6/10 or less on critic websites? Should we still appreciate it because it is Halo? Should we keep buying it just because Halo is in the name? Or should we come to our senses, not blindly follow the leader, and jump ship before the series crashes and burns?
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> > Halo as a franchise started to die out with reach. Bungie wasn’t really listening at that point. Halo suffered because of it. 343 has been listening making changes here and there where needed, yes there still are things that need fixed. But i might add there isn’t one game out there that is perfect. I try to stay unbiased in every thread. I always defend 343 because I’m not pulled against them because no one ever gives great enough evidence towards it. We should appreciate halo for what it is, 343 is doing a pretty good job. The campaign was a little iffy, but none the less still good. The multiplayer is quite nice too, it is still growing i might add. At its core Halo 5 is good, 343 will do even greater with halo 6.
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> Bungie stopped listening at that point because Reach was supposed to be the LAST Halo game, at least by them. There was no point to listen anymore as they were about to shift focus to Destiny. And no, we shouldn’t appreciate Halo for what it is. I -Yoinking!- hate that argument. What if, years down the line, Halo becomes the worst series ever, scoring around 6/10 or less on critic websites? Should we still appreciate it because it is Halo? Should we keep buying it just because Halo is in the name? Or should we come to our senses, not blindly follow the leader, and jump ship before the series crashes and burns?
I seen nothing of any sort, pointing out what exactly you hate so much, i understand and share your interest for the franchise. But truly I’m not seeing much that was done wrong at this point in time (aside from the mythic month, which I’m sure we agree on). I don’t blindly follow the leader i look at it for what it is. Not only state my opinion but my argument for it. I will continue my support until i see a convincing argument against 343. I remain open minded towards both side. Prove to me so that i May switch, but if not then ok
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> > > Halo as a franchise started to die out with reach. Bungie wasn’t really listening at that point. Halo suffered because of it. 343 has been listening making changes here and there where needed, yes there still are things that need fixed. But i might add there isn’t one game out there that is perfect. I try to stay unbiased in every thread. I always defend 343 because I’m not pulled against them because no one ever gives great enough evidence towards it. We should appreciate halo for what it is, 343 is doing a pretty good job. The campaign was a little iffy, but none the less still good. The multiplayer is quite nice too, it is still growing i might add. At its core Halo 5 is good, 343 will do even greater with halo 6.
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> I seen nothing of any sort, pointing out what exactly you hate so much, i understand and share your interest for the franchise. But truly I’m not seeing much that was done wrong at this point in time (aside from the mythic month, which I’m sure we agree on). I don’t blindly follow the leader i look at it for what it is. Not only state my opinion but my argument for it. I will continue my support until i see a convincing argument against 343. I remain open minded towards both side. Prove to me so that i May switch, but if not then ok
I’m not saying it’s a -Yoink- franchise now. While Halo 5’s plot was underwhelming, extremely controversial, and low rated among many fans (including myself), it is still deep, deep, deep, DEEP down a Halo game that (if you have nothing to do for about an hour during a holiday after you have already played through all your other games) you may want to play and find SOME feeling of enjoyment from. I mean to say that if they continue on this course of making more and more controversial games that more and more fans hate, and then start making -Yoink- games altogether, then we really need to stop following them just because they are called Halo.
I hate Halo 5, and I hope (along with a LOT of others) that they don’t make the same mistakes in 6 or else I am gone. But I can kind of maybe see why others would probably enjoy it. But what I don’t like is people liking straight up crap games just because of the name.
I would like all of that to be back, except playable elites, specially DONT in arena
end of the day, this is a sandbox we all play in. 343 and any other game developer are gonna go for big buck releases or pay as you go money streams. Indie style development is great for gaming communities and the like, The forge feature is the only other interaction we get to make and develop our own spins on the Halo universe, I like the Halo universe, I like the characters and would love to see the community get more responses from the likes of Bungie, 343 and the other guys, unfortunately $$$ is the biggest mover for sway.
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> end of the day, this is a sandbox we all play in. 343 and any other game developer are gonna go for big buck releases or pay as you go money streams. Indie style development is great for gaming communities and the like, The forge feature is the only other interaction we get to make and develop our own spins on the Halo universe, I like the Halo universe, I like the characters and would love to see the community get more responses from the likes of Bungie, 343 and the other guys, unfortunately $$$ is the biggest mover for sway.
Actually 343 care about the game money is not important to them until they get new tools and enjins. Bungie and 343 industries share the same interests even though they’re the same working together