It seems like little by little they are tacking off little things here and there and eliminating what used to be proud and strutted. Does anyone else feel this way?
I feel like the casuals in the halo world are being overly-catered too. It’s as if they want all players to see each other on equal playing ground; Sure, this may be a “Righteous Cause”, but it defeats competition.
The only somewhat true thing that defines anyone as a player anymore is K/D Ratio and even that is flawed due to what the people are playing.
I understand CSR is being implemented, and that’s great, but hey, out of sight, out of mind.
343 says they got rid of the number rank on the game to eliminate hackers, boosters, selling accounts, scams, and cheaters, which I see true to an extent…but I think there is more too it. Something almost subliminal.
Little things like the zoom out feature on the sniper being eliminated, they all add up. Halo 4 was marketed to the vast majority, casuals. They are slowly stripping away what I once called Halo.
I concur completely. I was never particularly a spectacular player, nor competitive, but Halo 2’s system kept me more entertained. Visible ranks to work on leveling. Clans and clan matches.
I’m not saying Halo 2 was the best Halo ever. But as far as out-of-game systems go, Halo 2 had the best. Halo 4 coupled with that would be eternally fun.
I have no problem with easily accessible areas for people that just play casually. But under no circumstances should those that play alot, play hardcore, the ones that keep coming back, should feel neglected.
> Agreed.
> Gaming is meant for competitiveness, not for casuals who play an hour a week!
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> I think this is actually a bad marketing scheme.
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> Hardcore players are more likely to pre-order and get limited editions, download DLC, and overall spend money on gaming.
Thanks for the reply, what is gaming without competition? I don’t see how people can play purely just for fun.
In the long run it probably balances out as a marketing scheme, because more casuals will buy the standard, but less limited from competitive players.
> I concur completely. I was never particularly a spectacular player, nor competitive, but Halo 2’s system kept me more entertained. Visible ranks to work on leveling. Clans and clan matches.
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> I’m not saying Halo 2 was the best Halo ever. But as far as out-of-game systems go, Halo 2 had the best. Halo 4 coupled with that would be eternally fun.
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> I have no problem with easily accessible areas for people that just play casually. But under no circumstances should those that play alot, play hardcore, the ones that keep coming back, should feel neglected.
Exactly, I feel reach was the starting point for failure, and crutches for all players. Why put Halo on the cover if you are completely changing the mechanics for the worse?
> Agreed.
> <mark>Gaming is meant for competitiveness, not for casuals who play an hour a week!</mark>
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> I think this is actually a bad marketing scheme.
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> Hardcore players are more likely to pre-order and get limited editions, download DLC, and overall spend money on gaming.
What? Gaming is meant for entertainment, and from there branches of into smaller areas such as competitive and casual, as this forum likes pointing out so much. And people get entertainment different ways, some enjoy the challenging and competitive nature it can bring, others enjoy using it to let off stress and steam from the troubles of real life, those aspects comes from the players and the community.
I care, and I agree. But It seems 343i is the new infinity ward. Release a game and leave. No interactions with the fans, no feedback, constant blunders and no fixing things. The bungie.net forums were flooooooded with people and mods and devs. The waypoint forums make the wild wild west blush with contempt.
> I care, and I agree. But It seems 343i is the new infinity ward. Release a game and leave. No interactions with the fans, no feedback, constant blunders and no fixing things. The bungie.net forums were flooooooded with people and mods and devs. The waypoint forums make the wild wild west blush with contempt.
Which is a shame because that leaves no console FPS developers that are worth anything anymore.
> I care, and I agree. But It seems 343i is the new infinity ward. Release a game and leave. No interactions with the fans, no feedback, constant blunders and no fixing things. The bungie.net forums were flooooooded with people and mods and devs. The waypoint forums make the wild wild west blush with contempt.
They talk to the fans, but they just keep giving the same solutions and answers, and that will get you no where.
> My best advice for you is to join a GameBattles team and play scrims!
> This can be really fun and competetive.
I have done this before, it is fun, but I don’t play enough to do that. I just want a Halo where I can get on a few times a week play a ranked playlist and enjoy what I am achieving.
I’d even say that fun, to some extent, lies in the competitiveness. However, we can’t just put the casual gamer aside, and cater to the “hardcore” solely; they are undoubtedly a huge part of the consumers, don’t forget that.
> Gaming is meant for competitiveness, not for casuals who play an hour a week!
Maybe from the stance of the people who lack responsibilities. Not that I don’t like getting competitive, I just don’t see why whiners have such a narrow-minded view.
Why and how is this? There’s more casual gamers than the other.
Are they evil as the hardcore say they are? Nope for they kinda made gaming survive and made it grow.
Hardcore gamers are they evil? No but a good amount like to put down and insult people who don’t have much time or play for fun. Or who just aren’t very good in the first place.
Casual gamers made many of the game types you enjoy today. Infection was made by casual gamers because ranks didn’t matter and halo 2 revolved around ranks.
So many people forget this that it isn’t even funny.
> In response to several posts, if you want a game to play an hour a week to de stress and blow off steam then be like my grandma and play FarmVille !
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> I hear the competition between neighboring farms is intense. …
You are exactly what this man was talking about…
> Hardcore gamers are they evil? No but a good amount like to put down and insult people who don’t have much time or play for fun. Or who just aren’t very good in the first place.
It isn’t the companies that are fragmenting the communities, it’s the damn gamers themselves. Apparently everyone has to prove their -Yoink!- size over the internet on a video game and it’s getting annoying.
This seems like yet another thread where a player berates people who don’t take games “seriously.” Casual gamers in Waypoint are constantly put down and told that they are inferior as humans simply because they aren’t competitive gamers. I’ve seen people refer to casual gamers as subhuman and as a disease. Bigoted people who assume that because you are a n00b, because you aren’t as good as they are, because you look at games as a source of entertainment rather than a place to upstage people, that you are a lesser person are nothing more than people trying to somehow find a way to see themselves as better than everyone else. If they can’t be bettere than everyone else and look down on people in real life, they’ll do it in video games. It’s easier for them to do it too. Here in the forums they are protected by anonymity, by not being seen, by hiding behind a monitor. I can look at myself in the mirror everyday and say I’m going somewhere in life. Every day I go to work and contribute to the survival of my fellow Marines. What about the forum bullies? Come down here to Georgia and meet my Marines. Let’s see if you really are such a billy bad -Yoink-. Get off of your consoles and do something that will really make a difference in the world rather than position yourself to make fun of people because you’re better in a video game.
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This seems like yet another thread where a player berates people who don’t take games “seriously.” Casual gamers in Waypoint are constantly put down and told that they are inferior as humans simply because they aren’t competitive gamers. I’ve seen people refer to casual gamers as subhuman and as a disease. Bigoted people who assume that because you are a n00b, because you aren’t as good as they are, because you look at games as a source of entertainment rather than a place to upstage people, that you are a lesser person are nothing more than people trying to somehow find a way to see themselves as better than everyone else. If they can’t be bettere than everyone else and look down on people in real life, they’ll do it in video games. It’s easier for them to do it too. Here in the forums they are protected by anonymity, by not being seen, by hiding behind a monitor. I can look at myself in the mirror everyday and say I’m going somewhere in life. Every day I go to work and contribute to the survival of my fellow Marines. What about the forum bullies? Come down here to Georgia and meet my Marines. Let’s see if you really are such a billy bad @$$. Get off of your consoles and do something that will really make a difference in the world rather than position yourself to make fun of people because you’re better in a video game.