I know that 343 is planning to consolidate playlists for Halo 5.
I think they need to drastically do this to keep things fresh and moving for the low population.
Right now we have 15 playlists.
Some of these playlists should not be ranked playlists.
Here is an example of how, I believe, playlists should look like.
Ranked:
Slayer
Team Arena
2v2 Competitive
Free-For-All
SWAT(Honestly can be social but I left it here for variety)
Social:
Rotating 4v4: Quick Play, Super Fiesta(make it 4v4), Husky Raid, Snipers, Elimination
Rotating 8v8: Big Team Battle, Big Team Super Fiesta, Castle Wars CTF
Triple Team
Infection
This allows for tons of variety and room for faster matchmaking with 9 playlists.
Ranked Big Team Battle makes NO sense.
Why not give us some different starting weapon options for playlists to keep things fresh?
Why not do a final sandbox balance to keep Halo players invested until Halo Infinite and the MCC updates come out?
I understand that you need to focus on those projects but don’t leave Halo 5 behind, the game NEEDS fixing.
Thank you for your time.
Feel free to share your thoughts.
> Why not do a final sandbox balance to keep Halo players invested until Halo Infinite and the MCC updates come out?
The majority of 343 are working on Infinite, which includes those who would normally look into things like this. Playlist updates and tweaks to matchmaking will still happen, but sandbox updates are out of scope.
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> Here is an example of how, I believe, playlists should look like.
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> **Social:**Rotating 4v4: Quick Play, Super Fiesta(make it 4v4), Husky Raid, Snipers, Elimination
> Rotating 8v8: Big Team Battle, Big Team Super Fiesta, Castle Wars CTF
> Triple Team
> Infection
Quick Play, Super Fiesta, and BTB should not be rotating imo.
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> Ranked Big Team Battle makes NO sense.
Agreed!
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> Why not give us some different starting weapon options for playlists to keep things fresh?
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> Thank you for your time.
> Feel free to share your thoughts.
Let’s see CW(energy sword), BTB(BR, AR), Fiesta(random), Snipers(snipers), Infection(infected sword/shotgun, magnum/AR, magnum/AR), SWAT(every UNSC precision weapon). How many more starting weapon options do you need?
Rotating ranked playlists doesn’t make any sense. They should be removed, and have some of the playlists moved to social arena (the Halo 3 playlist, for example)
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> I know that 343 is planning to consolidate playlists for Halo 5.
> I think they need to drastically do this to keep things fresh and moving for the low population.
> Right now we have 15 playlists.
> Some of these playlists should not be ranked playlists.
>
> Here is an example of how, I believe, playlists should look like.
>
> **Ranked:**Slayer
> Team Arena
> 2v2 Competitive
> Free-For-All
> SWAT(Honestly can be social but I left it here for variety)
>
> **Social:**Rotating 4v4: Quick Play, Super Fiesta(make it 4v4), Husky Raid, Snipers, Elimination
> Rotating 8v8: Big Team Battle, Big Team Super Fiesta, Castle Wars CTF
> Triple Team
> Infection
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> This allows for tons of variety and room for faster matchmaking with 9 playlists.
>
> Ranked Big Team Battle makes NO sense.
>
> Why not give us some different starting weapon options for playlists to keep things fresh?
>
> Why not do a final sandbox balance to keep Halo players invested until Halo Infinite and the MCC updates come out?
> I understand that you need to focus on those projects but don’t leave Halo 5 behind, the game NEEDS fixing.
>
> Thank you for your time.
> Feel free to share your thoughts.
REALLY like this idea and the selection shown here for the most part, I’d say the Why questions are really unlikely even though I’d love different starting weapons for stuff like slayer that aren’t magnum/ar starts, but consolidating playlists like this shouldn’t be hard at all, even for the very small amount of people that still have to manage stuff for this game. I’d probably make Super fiesta separate from the rotating 4v4 stuff since it’s a fan favorite at this point for people (maybe once holiday fiesta passes next month they could thrown in those modes into the vanilla super fiesta playlist) and I feel people might get a little mad if that was made rotational status. I’d also add core play to the mix of rotating 4v4 instead of maybe quick play and have action sack be a selective playlist too. BTB could really benefit from this cause BTB as is, is super dead in ranked. If this were to happen, It wouldn’t be the best thing in the world for the game, but I think it may give social some nice variety where you could play something different every week than just 2 modes that come out randomly every 2 weeks. Or hell just put some playlists together, I already brought up about holiday fiesta being combined with normal super fiesta, but some of the rotational playlist stuff could be mixed into action sack, like rock n’ rail and such.
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> > I just hope WZA is more common during the playlist refresh. I like someones idea of having Turbo and WZA rotate weekly.
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> Yep, warzone needs some variety and this could at least do the trick.
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I just don’t understand why they’re 3 different core fiesta style playlists (Super Fiesta, BTB Super Fiesta, Husky Raid) please consolidate that down to 1 and rotate the other 2.
I agree with more rotating playlists, but quick play and btb shouldn’t be rotating. Maybe have a chaos thing which is just super fiesta, husky raid, castle wars, etc.
> Reneggade: I just don’t understand why they’re 3 different core fiesta style playlists (Super Fiesta, BTB Super Fiesta, Husky Raid) please consolidate that down to 1 and rotate the other 2.
A good chunk of the population are Fiesta players so that’s likely the reason.
Here’s what I’d do. Social:
Quick Play
Super Fiesta
Infection
2 Rotating playlists: Everything else.
Ranked:
Slayer
Team Arena
2v2
Swat
1 Rotating: FFA, Elimination and whatever else.
Warzone:
Heroic Firefight (Increase the RP/XP payout since Legendary is gone)
Warzone
1 Rotating: WZA, WZ Turbo, Mythic FF
OR ALSO just choose under the SOCIAL playlist random, and it allows a random playlist to be chosen (which will put you in either btb super fiesta, super fiesta, husky, etc)
Furthermore you click on the playlist you wouldn’t play so it doesn’t match you in it (I dislike infection)
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> I just don’t understand why they’re 3 different core fiesta style playlists (Super Fiesta, BTB Super Fiesta, Husky Raid) please consolidate that down to 1 and rotate the other 2.
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> I agree with more rotating playlists, but quick play and btb shouldn’t be rotating. Maybe have a chaos thing which is just super fiesta, husky raid, castle wars, etc.
Agreed!
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> > Reneggade: I just don’t understand why they’re 3 different core fiesta style playlists (Super Fiesta, BTB Super Fiesta, Husky Raid) please consolidate that down to 1 and rotate the other 2.
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> A good chunk of the population are Fiesta players so that’s likely the reason.
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> Here’s what I’d do.
> **Social:**Quick Play
> Super Fiesta
> Infection
> 2 Rotating playlists: Everything else.
>
> **Ranked:**Slayer
> Team Arena
> 2v2
> Swat
> 1 Rotating: FFA, Elimination and whatever else.
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> **Warzone:**Heroic Firefight (Increase the RP/XP payout since Legendary is gone)
> Warzone
> 1 Rotating: WZA, WZ Turbo, Mythic FF
I’d agree 90% here
The one thing i’d change is to have Breakout be more available. It being part of normal commendations, I’d like to see it stick around - maybe have it show up in Action Sack too?
It’s also possible that simply reducing the playlist offerings while keeping Breakout would actually increase the Breakout population - so might not need to put that into rotating.
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> > Reneggade: I just don’t understand why they’re 3 different core fiesta style playlists (Super Fiesta, BTB Super Fiesta, Husky Raid) please consolidate that down to 1 and rotate the other 2.
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> A good chunk of the population are Fiesta players so that’s likely the reason.
>
> Here’s what I’d do.
> **Social:**Quick Play
> Super Fiesta
> Infection
> 2 Rotating playlists: Everything else.
>
> **Ranked:**Slayer
> Team Arena
> 2v2
> Swat
> 1 Rotating: FFA, Elimination and whatever else.
>
> **Warzone:**Heroic Firefight (Increase the RP/XP payout since Legendary is gone)
> Warzone
> 1 Rotating: WZA, WZ Turbo, Mythic FF
Ranked FFA should not be rotated out. It should stay as a permanent playlist imo. If anything swat and elimination should be rotated as ranked or social playlists. I also think there should be less super fiesta playlists at once. Instead of having so many super fiesta playlists I’d rather have a third rotational playlist like roaming king, triple team, shotty snipers, or one of the anniversary playlists. I also agree that btb should go back to being a social playlist. I wish btb would go back to how it was before the refresh. The old forge btb maps were more fun and seemed more well made than these newer forge btb maps.
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> > > Reneggade: I just don’t understand why they’re 3 different core fiesta style playlists (Super Fiesta, BTB Super Fiesta, Husky Raid) please consolidate that down to 1 and rotate the other 2.
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> > A good chunk of the population are Fiesta players so that’s likely the reason.
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> > Here’s what I’d do.
> > **Social:**Quick Play
> > Super Fiesta
> > Infection
> > 2 Rotating playlists: Everything else.
> >
> > **Ranked:**Slayer
> > Team Arena
> > 2v2
> > Swat
> > 1 Rotating: FFA, Elimination and whatever else.
> >
> > **Warzone:**Heroic Firefight (Increase the RP/XP payout since Legendary is gone)
> > Warzone
> > 1 Rotating: WZA, WZ Turbo, Mythic FF
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> Ranked FFA should not be rotated out. It should stay as a permanent playlist imo. If anything swat and elimination should be rotated as ranked or social playlists. I also think there should be less super fiesta playlists at once. Instead of having so many super fiesta playlists I’d rather have a third rotational playlist like roaming king, triple team, shotty snipers, or one of the anniversary playlists. I also agree that btb should go back to being a social playlist. I wish btb would go back to how it was before the refresh. The old forge btb maps were more fun and seemed more well made than these newer forge btb maps.
Another decent method tbh, If I had to choose a rotational I’d say SWAT cause we don’t need breakout stuff to be already more rare than it is haha. Fiesta’s definitely overstaying it’s welcome, if btb went back into social with it being combined with big team fiesta I think that could fill some space.
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> OR ALSO just choose under the SOCIAL playlist random, and it allows a random playlist to be chosen (which will put you in either btb super fiesta, super fiesta, husky, etc)
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> Furthermore you click on the playlist you wouldn’t play so it doesn’t match you in it (I dislike infection)
I’m curious how much work would be required to make it match composer style for social.
I’m sure it’ll never happen in H5 unless they someday add it to MCC.
It is useless to consolidate lists while the teams are not balanced.
What is the point of putting a team of bronzes vs one of onyx in social? There are people who like that even if they learn nothing.
3 months ago was super hard find a match with a team of 7 - 8 in WZA, this month you can find a match easier with a team of 12 than playing with a team of 4, super annoying if you don’t like farming and fall asleep .
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> It is useless to consolidate lists while the teams are not balanced.
> What is the point of putting a team of bronzes vs one of onyx in social? There are people who like that even if they learn nothing.
> 3 months ago was super hard find a match with a team of 7 - 8 in WZA, this month you can find a match easier with a team of 12 than playing with a team of 4, super annoying if you don’t like farming and fall asleep .
Except that consolidating the playlists would likely balance things even more.
Greater amount of people searching fewer playlists = better chance to match someone close to your skill.
I’m glad all of you have put great thought into this.
The less playlists we have in ranked, the easier it will be to match players overall.
Big team battle is a horrible playlist to have as ranked because new players aren’t able to match with most ranked players, further dividing the player-base.
There has to be a mix of individual skill, team skill, and casual/chaotic gametypes.
My post was a quick example of how the current playlists could be consolidated to decrease wait times.
My biggest concern is that every other Halo game will get huge updates that improve their overall experience but Halo 5 will be left behind.
I think the current sandbox needs to be re-tuned as well as the current playlists.
My biggest suggestions for the future:
1). After Big Team becomes social, add a gametype with Classic BR with stabilization jets as starting weapons along with ARs with suppressors or something.
2). Adjust the auto lock after ground pounding/spartan charging, add more skill to these elements.
3). Retune the BR to where it’s viable again
4). Retune the Light Rifle so it doesn’t outkill every other precision weapon.
5). Tune Ghosts so their firerates aren’t absolutely overkill.
6). Tune base vehicles damage over time so they can be taken down easier, or heck, increase vehicle spawn times?
7). Add a bar to ranked playlists so we know how close we are to ranking up.
8). Add a basic map list so forge maps are more accessible.
I don’t want 343 to leave the game behind so I hope they make some sort of attempt in the future to address some of these issues.