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> > > > > > Don’t lie to me 343 obviously doesn’t care after mcc…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That’s a topic for another thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > But hey if you don’t think they care, why did they release ODST and Remnant for free, give a free month of Xbox Live and release several patches??
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah they obviously don’t care about Halo MCC at all. /s
> > > > >
> > > > > I bet you’ll say they don’t care after the next patch they release.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There hasn’t been any news about the MCC for a month and a half…
> > >
> > >
> > > Doesn’t matter. They’ve shown they care with what they’ve done so far. It’s going to come to an end eventually.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course they care, however, most of the veterans are wishing the formula wasn’t meddled with an kept the same. I see the changes applied in H5 are better than them ones made in H4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except that sprint still remains whyyyy 343.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Because most people like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Most people cannot articulate why they like or dislike a game or a game’s mechanic.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you pulled 100 people out of MM and asked them to write a paragraph about sprint’s effects on halo map design you may get 1 person that doesnt reply with what?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 343 liking it means much more than a what a horde of randoms thinks. Stick with that.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Not true. Most people know why they like sprint. Because they can go faster is the biggest reason. You don’t have to be a design expert to like a feature or carry any sort of weight with your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The way you describe game design sounds like some Mad Scientist rambling about how he found the perfect formula and then when people don’t like his concoction, he screams wildly at them that it’s perfect and they’re just wrong.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Exactly! They like the most surface layer, but are totally unaware of the more subtle effects. Even though those effects could cause them to not like the game.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Like what? Map elongation? How people feel about the game is all that matters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ya. And if they feel “this game isn’t fun”, that matters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that whether they know it or not, sprint is the main reason for the decline in halo mp popularity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Really? Not Armor Abilities? Not Ordnance? Not perks or loadouts? Not the horribly one-sided weapon sandbox? Not because it’s more or less the same gameplay we’ve had for over 10 years?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There were playlist in reach and h4 that removed those things. Population did not rise in them. There was one playlist that removed sprint and population EXPLODED in it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That’s a lie. Provide some sources and evidence please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did you play Halo Reach and Halo 4?
> > > >
> > > > Did you play the MLG playlist? Did you play Legendary Slayer?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes. Population did not “explode”. Other playlists had more population than those two at peak times.
> > >
> > > If you say otherwise I’d love to see some proof.
> >
> >
> > When the MLG playlist in Reach dropped sprint it exploded(compared to what it was prior). Everything and anything else they had previously added or removed from the playlist had had no noticeable effect on playlist population.
> >
> > Legendary Slayer. It removed pretty much everything other than sprint and it still resonated with next to nobody.
> >
> > Sprint is THE issue.
>
>
> So no proof then other than your opinion. Got it.
>
> Basically if it went from 1050 to 2000 you’re going to say it exploded. I see where this is going. Doesn’t matter, Sprint won’t be removed from Halo 5, the game will sell well and everyone will be having fun.
Its not an opinion. Its what happened. Populatiom went from roughly 1000 to 5000. A 5x increase is substantial.
We will have to wait and see how many people have fun with h5 mp. If its anything like h4, it wont be many.
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> > > > > > > Don’t lie to me 343 obviously doesn’t care after mcc…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s a topic for another thread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But hey if you don’t think they care, why did they release ODST and Remnant for free, give a free month of Xbox Live and release several patches??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah they obviously don’t care about Halo MCC at all. /s
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bet you’ll say they don’t care after the next patch they release.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There hasn’t been any news about the MCC for a month and a half…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doesn’t matter. They’ve shown they care with what they’ve done so far. It’s going to come to an end eventually.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course they care, however, most of the veterans are wishing the formula wasn’t meddled with an kept the same. I see the changes applied in H5 are better than them ones made in H4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except that sprint still remains whyyyy 343.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because most people like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people cannot articulate why they like or dislike a game or a game’s mechanic.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pulled 100 people out of MM and asked them to write a paragraph about sprint’s effects on halo map design you may get 1 person that doesnt reply with what?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 liking it means much more than a what a horde of randoms thinks. Stick with that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. Most people know why they like sprint. Because they can go faster is the biggest reason. You don’t have to be a design expert to like a feature or carry any sort of weight with your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The way you describe game design sounds like some Mad Scientist rambling about how he found the perfect formula and then when people don’t like his concoction, he screams wildly at them that it’s perfect and they’re just wrong.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Exactly! They like the most surface layer, but are totally unaware of the more subtle effects. Even though those effects could cause them to not like the game.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Like what? Map elongation? How people feel about the game is all that matters.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ya. And if they feel “this game isn’t fun”, that matters.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that whether they know it or not, sprint is the main reason for the decline in halo mp popularity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Really? Not Armor Abilities? Not Ordnance? Not perks or loadouts? Not the horribly one-sided weapon sandbox? Not because it’s more or less the same gameplay we’ve had for over 10 years?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There were playlist in reach and h4 that removed those things. Population did not rise in them. There was one playlist that removed sprint and population EXPLODED in it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s a lie. Provide some sources and evidence please.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you play Halo Reach and Halo 4?
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you play the MLG playlist? Did you play Legendary Slayer?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes. Population did not “explode”. Other playlists had more population than those two at peak times.
> > > >
> > > > If you say otherwise I’d love to see some proof.
> > >
> > >
> > > When the MLG playlist in Reach dropped sprint it exploded(compared to what it was prior). Everything and anything else they had previously added or removed from the playlist had had no noticeable effect on playlist population.
> > >
> > > Legendary Slayer. It removed pretty much everything other than sprint and it still resonated with next to nobody.
> > >
> > > Sprint is THE issue.
> >
> >
> > So no proof then other than your opinion. Got it.
> >
> > Basically if it went from 1050 to 2000 you’re going to say it exploded. I see where this is going. Doesn’t matter, Sprint won’t be removed from Halo 5, the game will sell well and everyone will be having fun.
>
>
> Its not an opinion. Its what happened. Populatiom went from roughly 1000 to 5000. A 5x increase is substantial.
>
> We will have to wait and see how many people have fun with h5 mp. If its anything like h4, it wont be many.
Clearly you havent played it, its nothing like Halo 4… Population for BTB was what at that time? Did any other population counts increase? Was there a DLC release at that time? The fact is, any number of factors couldve attributed to a population increase. Unless you have screenshots or images or something of the sort, date stamped and all, which is fairly ridiculous, theres no complete proof that the population of only that playlist exploded
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> > > > > > > > Don’t lie to me 343 obviously doesn’t care after mcc…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s a topic for another thread.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But hey if you don’t think they care, why did they release ODST and Remnant for free, give a free month of Xbox Live and release several patches??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah they obviously don’t care about Halo MCC at all. /s
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I bet you’ll say they don’t care after the next patch they release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There hasn’t been any news about the MCC for a month and a half…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doesn’t matter. They’ve shown they care with what they’ve done so far. It’s going to come to an end eventually.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course they care, however, most of the veterans are wishing the formula wasn’t meddled with an kept the same. I see the changes applied in H5 are better than them ones made in H4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except that sprint still remains whyyyy 343.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because most people like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people cannot articulate why they like or dislike a game or a game’s mechanic.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pulled 100 people out of MM and asked them to write a paragraph about sprint’s effects on halo map design you may get 1 person that doesnt reply with what?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 liking it means much more than a what a horde of randoms thinks. Stick with that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. Most people know why they like sprint. Because they can go faster is the biggest reason. You don’t have to be a design expert to like a feature or carry any sort of weight with your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The way you describe game design sounds like some Mad Scientist rambling about how he found the perfect formula and then when people don’t like his concoction, he screams wildly at them that it’s perfect and they’re just wrong.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly! They like the most surface layer, but are totally unaware of the more subtle effects. Even though those effects could cause them to not like the game.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Like what? Map elongation? How people feel about the game is all that matters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ya. And if they feel “this game isn’t fun”, that matters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that whether they know it or not, sprint is the main reason for the decline in halo mp popularity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Really? Not Armor Abilities? Not Ordnance? Not perks or loadouts? Not the horribly one-sided weapon sandbox? Not because it’s more or less the same gameplay we’ve had for over 10 years?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There were playlist in reach and h4 that removed those things. Population did not rise in them. There was one playlist that removed sprint and population EXPLODED in it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s a lie. Provide some sources and evidence please.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you play Halo Reach and Halo 4?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you play the MLG playlist? Did you play Legendary Slayer?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. Population did not “explode”. Other playlists had more population than those two at peak times.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you say otherwise I’d love to see some proof.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When the MLG playlist in Reach dropped sprint it exploded(compared to what it was prior). Everything and anything else they had previously added or removed from the playlist had had no noticeable effect on playlist population.
> > > >
> > > > Legendary Slayer. It removed pretty much everything other than sprint and it still resonated with next to nobody.
> > > >
> > > > Sprint is THE issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > So no proof then other than your opinion. Got it.
> > >
> > > Basically if it went from 1050 to 2000 you’re going to say it exploded. I see where this is going. Doesn’t matter, Sprint won’t be removed from Halo 5, the game will sell well and everyone will be having fun.
> >
> >
> > Its not an opinion. Its what happened. Populatiom went from roughly 1000 to 5000. A 5x increase is substantial.
> >
> > We will have to wait and see how many people have fun with h5 mp. If its anything like h4, it wont be many.
>
>
> Clearly you havent played it, its nothing like Halo 4… Population for BTB was what at that time? Did any other population counts increase? Was there a DLC release at that time? The fact is, any number of factors couldve attributed to a population increase. Unless you have screenshots or images or something of the sort, date stamped and all, which is fairly ridiculous, theres no complete proof that the population of only that playlist exploded
I did play it. It is definitely better than h4 but sprint still causes massive issues and the injection of more old, generic mechanics makes it quite boring.
Obviously I do not have date stamped screenshots lol.
I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
or the competitive crowd for that matter.
All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
I may sound slightly hypocritical (since I have made a small contribution to this thread before , and am making another one now), but I’d just like to point out that threads like these are absolute TOXIC.
In all honesty, I’d rather see a dozen non-constructive threads get locked in the time-span of one hour, rather than see one heavily biased thread drag on for days; influencing the creation of similar threads; engulfing them within the same vicious flame wars… that would probably get locked in an hour… oh my…
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> > > > > > > Don’t lie to me 343 obviously doesn’t care after mcc…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s a topic for another thread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But hey if you don’t think they care, why did they release ODST and Remnant for free, give a free month of Xbox Live and release several patches??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah they obviously don’t care about Halo MCC at all. /s
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bet you’ll say they don’t care after the next patch they release.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There hasn’t been any news about the MCC for a month and a half…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doesn’t matter. They’ve shown they care with what they’ve done so far. It’s going to come to an end eventually.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course they care, however, most of the veterans are wishing the formula wasn’t meddled with an kept the same. I see the changes applied in H5 are better than them ones made in H4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except that sprint still remains whyyyy 343.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because most people like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people cannot articulate why they like or dislike a game or a game’s mechanic.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pulled 100 people out of MM and asked them to write a paragraph about sprint’s effects on halo map design you may get 1 person that doesnt reply with what?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 liking it means much more than a what a horde of randoms thinks. Stick with that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. Most people know why they like sprint. Because they can go faster is the biggest reason. You don’t have to be a design expert to like a feature or carry any sort of weight with your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The way you describe game design sounds like some Mad Scientist rambling about how he found the perfect formula and then when people don’t like his concoction, he screams wildly at them that it’s perfect and they’re just wrong.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Exactly! They like the most surface layer, but are totally unaware of the more subtle effects. Even though those effects could cause them to not like the game.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Like what? Map elongation? How people feel about the game is all that matters.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ya. And if they feel “this game isn’t fun”, that matters.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that whether they know it or not, sprint is the main reason for the decline in halo mp popularity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Really? Not Armor Abilities? Not Ordnance? Not perks or loadouts? Not the horribly one-sided weapon sandbox? Not because it’s more or less the same gameplay we’ve had for over 10 years?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There were playlist in reach and h4 that removed those things. Population did not rise in them. There was one playlist that removed sprint and population EXPLODED in it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s a lie. Provide some sources and evidence please.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you play Halo Reach and Halo 4?
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you play the MLG playlist? Did you play Legendary Slayer?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes. Population did not “explode”. Other playlists had more population than those two at peak times.
> > > >
> > > > If you say otherwise I’d love to see some proof.
> > >
> > >
> > > When the MLG playlist in Reach dropped sprint it exploded(compared to what it was prior). Everything and anything else they had previously added or removed from the playlist had had no noticeable effect on playlist population.
> > >
> > > Legendary Slayer. It removed pretty much everything other than sprint and it still resonated with next to nobody.
> > >
> > > Sprint is THE issue.
> >
> >
> > So no proof then other than your opinion. Got it.
> >
> > Basically if it went from 1050 to 2000 you’re going to say it exploded. I see where this is going. Doesn’t matter, Sprint won’t be removed from Halo 5, the game will sell well and everyone will be having fun.
>
>
> Its not an opinion. Its what happened. Populatiom went from roughly 1000 to 5000. A 5x increase is substantial.
>
> We will have to wait and see how many people have fun with h5 mp. If its anything like h4, it wont be many.
Meh… Any playlist explodes when it’s put back into rotation. If it lasts for two weeks, by the second week the numbers dwindle. This isn’t anything new and isn’t substantial evidence for your theory that everyone hates sprint and sprint ruins Halo.
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> > > > > > > > Don’t lie to me 343 obviously doesn’t care after mcc…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s a topic for another thread.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But hey if you don’t think they care, why did they release ODST and Remnant for free, give a free month of Xbox Live and release several patches??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah they obviously don’t care about Halo MCC at all. /s
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I bet you’ll say they don’t care after the next patch they release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There hasn’t been any news about the MCC for a month and a half…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doesn’t matter. They’ve shown they care with what they’ve done so far. It’s going to come to an end eventually.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course they care, however, most of the veterans are wishing the formula wasn’t meddled with an kept the same. I see the changes applied in H5 are better than them ones made in H4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except that sprint still remains whyyyy 343.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because most people like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people cannot articulate why they like or dislike a game or a game’s mechanic.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pulled 100 people out of MM and asked them to write a paragraph about sprint’s effects on halo map design you may get 1 person that doesnt reply with what?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 liking it means much more than a what a horde of randoms thinks. Stick with that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. Most people know why they like sprint. Because they can go faster is the biggest reason. You don’t have to be a design expert to like a feature or carry any sort of weight with your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The way you describe game design sounds like some Mad Scientist rambling about how he found the perfect formula and then when people don’t like his concoction, he screams wildly at them that it’s perfect and they’re just wrong.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly! They like the most surface layer, but are totally unaware of the more subtle effects. Even though those effects could cause them to not like the game.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Like what? Map elongation? How people feel about the game is all that matters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ya. And if they feel “this game isn’t fun”, that matters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that whether they know it or not, sprint is the main reason for the decline in halo mp popularity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Really? Not Armor Abilities? Not Ordnance? Not perks or loadouts? Not the horribly one-sided weapon sandbox? Not because it’s more or less the same gameplay we’ve had for over 10 years?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There were playlist in reach and h4 that removed those things. Population did not rise in them. There was one playlist that removed sprint and population EXPLODED in it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s a lie. Provide some sources and evidence please.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you play Halo Reach and Halo 4?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you play the MLG playlist? Did you play Legendary Slayer?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. Population did not “explode”. Other playlists had more population than those two at peak times.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you say otherwise I’d love to see some proof.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When the MLG playlist in Reach dropped sprint it exploded(compared to what it was prior). Everything and anything else they had previously added or removed from the playlist had had no noticeable effect on playlist population.
> > > >
> > > > Legendary Slayer. It removed pretty much everything other than sprint and it still resonated with next to nobody.
> > > >
> > > > Sprint is THE issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > So no proof then other than your opinion. Got it.
> > >
> > > Basically if it went from 1050 to 2000 you’re going to say it exploded. I see where this is going. Doesn’t matter, Sprint won’t be removed from Halo 5, the game will sell well and everyone will be having fun.
> >
> >
> > Its not an opinion. Its what happened. Populatiom went from roughly 1000 to 5000. A 5x increase is substantial.
> >
> > We will have to wait and see how many people have fun with h5 mp. If its anything like h4, it wont be many.
>
>
> Meh… Any playlist explodes when it’s put back into rotation. If it lasts for two weeks, by the second week the numbers dwindle. This isn’t anything new and isn’t substantial evidence for your theory that everyone hates sprint and sprint ruins Halo.
Not to mention we dont know if all of a sudden a huge numbers of players came back, or 4000 people only came back to play Legendary slayer
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> > > > > > > > Don’t lie to me 343 obviously doesn’t care after mcc…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s a topic for another thread.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But hey if you don’t think they care, why did they release ODST and Remnant for free, give a free month of Xbox Live and release several patches??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah they obviously don’t care about Halo MCC at all. /s
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I bet you’ll say they don’t care after the next patch they release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There hasn’t been any news about the MCC for a month and a half…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doesn’t matter. They’ve shown they care with what they’ve done so far. It’s going to come to an end eventually.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course they care, however, most of the veterans are wishing the formula wasn’t meddled with an kept the same. I see the changes applied in H5 are better than them ones made in H4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except that sprint still remains whyyyy 343.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because most people like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people cannot articulate why they like or dislike a game or a game’s mechanic.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pulled 100 people out of MM and asked them to write a paragraph about sprint’s effects on halo map design you may get 1 person that doesnt reply with what?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 liking it means much more than a what a horde of randoms thinks. Stick with that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. Most people know why they like sprint. Because they can go faster is the biggest reason. You don’t have to be a design expert to like a feature or carry any sort of weight with your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The way you describe game design sounds like some Mad Scientist rambling about how he found the perfect formula and then when people don’t like his concoction, he screams wildly at them that it’s perfect and they’re just wrong.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly! They like the most surface layer, but are totally unaware of the more subtle effects. Even though those effects could cause them to not like the game.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Like what? Map elongation? How people feel about the game is all that matters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ya. And if they feel “this game isn’t fun”, that matters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that whether they know it or not, sprint is the main reason for the decline in halo mp popularity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Really? Not Armor Abilities? Not Ordnance? Not perks or loadouts? Not the horribly one-sided weapon sandbox? Not because it’s more or less the same gameplay we’ve had for over 10 years?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There were playlist in reach and h4 that removed those things. Population did not rise in them. There was one playlist that removed sprint and population EXPLODED in it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s a lie. Provide some sources and evidence please.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you play Halo Reach and Halo 4?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you play the MLG playlist? Did you play Legendary Slayer?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. Population did not “explode”. Other playlists had more population than those two at peak times.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you say otherwise I’d love to see some proof.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When the MLG playlist in Reach dropped sprint it exploded(compared to what it was prior). Everything and anything else they had previously added or removed from the playlist had had no noticeable effect on playlist population.
> > > >
> > > > Legendary Slayer. It removed pretty much everything other than sprint and it still resonated with next to nobody.
> > > >
> > > > Sprint is THE issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > So no proof then other than your opinion. Got it.
> > >
> > > Basically if it went from 1050 to 2000 you’re going to say it exploded. I see where this is going. Doesn’t matter, Sprint won’t be removed from Halo 5, the game will sell well and everyone will be having fun.
> >
> >
> > Its not an opinion. Its what happened. Populatiom went from roughly 1000 to 5000. A 5x increase is substantial.
> >
> > We will have to wait and see how many people have fun with h5 mp. If its anything like h4, it wont be many.
>
>
> Meh… Any playlist explodes when it’s put back into rotation. If it lasts for two weeks, by the second week the numbers dwindle. This isn’t anything new and isn’t substantial evidence for your theory that everyone hates sprint and sprint ruins Halo.
The MLG playlist was never out of rotation. It was a permanent playlist.
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> I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> or the competitive crowd for that matter.
>
>
> All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
>
> If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
>
> I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
That’s how I feel.
Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
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> > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
> >
> > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
> >
> > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> >
> > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
>
>
> I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> That’s how I feel.
> Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
Sooo you don’t value a traditional Arena style Halo?
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> > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
> >
> > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
> >
> > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> >
> > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
>
>
> I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> That’s how I feel.
> Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
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> > > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
> > >
> > > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
> > >
> > > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> > >
> > > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
> >
> >
> > I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> > When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> > That’s how I feel.
> > Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> > Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
>
>
> Sooo you don’t value a traditional Arena style Halo?
Not entirely.
Like I said before, they have the right idea and are heading the right direction but they are not going all the way.
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> > > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
> > >
> > > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
> > >
> > > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> > >
> > > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
> >
> >
> > I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> > When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> > That’s how I feel.
> > Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> > Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
>
>
> Sooo you don’t value a traditional Arena style Halo?
Traditional arena style halo does not have sprint.
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> > > > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > > > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
> > > >
> > > > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
> > > >
> > > > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > > > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > > > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> > > >
> > > > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> > > When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> > > That’s how I feel.
> > > Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> > > Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
> >
> >
> > Sooo you don’t value a traditional Arena style Halo?
>
>
> Traditional arena style halo does not have sprint.
Well it does now and it works fine. Play customs and toggle it off if you’d prefer a more classic experience. Not gonna get into another sprint debate at the moment.
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> > > > > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > > > > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
> > > > >
> > > > > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
> > > > >
> > > > > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > > > > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > > > > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> > > > When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> > > > That’s how I feel.
> > > > Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> > > > Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sooo you don’t value a traditional Arena style Halo?
> >
> >
> > Traditional arena style halo does not have sprint.
>
>
> Well it does now and it works fine.
No it doesn’t and that is your subjective opinion, not a fact.
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> > > > > > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > > > > > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
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> > > > > > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
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> > > > > > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > > > > > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > > > > > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
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> > > > > I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> > > > > When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> > > > > That’s how I feel.
> > > > > Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> > > > > Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
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> > > >
> > > > Sooo you don’t value a traditional Arena style Halo?
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> > >
> > > Traditional arena style halo does not have sprint.
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> > Well it does now and it works fine.
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> No it doesn’t and that is your subjective opinion, not a fact.
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> > > > > > > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > > > > > > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > > > > > > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > > > > > > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> > > > > > When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> > > > > > That’s how I feel.
> > > > > > Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> > > > > > Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
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> > > > > Sooo you don’t value a traditional Arena style Halo?
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> > > > Traditional arena style halo does not have sprint.
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> > > Well it does now and it works fine.
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> > No it doesn’t and that is your subjective opinion, not a fact.
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> It’s also your opinion that it doesn’t work.
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> > > > > > > > I don’t think 343 cares too much about old school halo players tbh.
> > > > > > > > or the competitive crowd for that matter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All they care about is making a game where the casuals will buy it day one, they don’t give a damn about player population once the other casual games come out.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If they cared they would design maps that work specifically for Halo without sprint.
> > > > > > > > If they cared they would have removed the ADS bs that’s currently in the game now.
> > > > > > > > If they cared they game would actually have a skill gap like the older halos. I cannot STAND games that have high bullet magnetism and auto aim and that was the major reason why I stopped playing Halo 4.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I believe Josh Holmes stated on tbnet that the reason bullet magnetism was so high in the beta was bc players don’t like it when they miss shots. And at that point I just had to turn my computer off. There was once a time in Halo when if you wanted to stop missing shots you actually got good at the game, the game didn’t hand everything to you.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can’t stand listening to Holmes talk about Halo because everything he values is exactly the opposite of what I value, in terms of making a good Halo.
> > > > > > > When I listen to him, he sounds like somebody who never understood the appeal of the older games, and never played them beyond a novice level.
> > > > > > > That’s how I feel.
> > > > > > > Frankie seems to think the only thing that matters is canon. Another huge problem.
> > > > > > > Bravo knows what’s up, but has no pull.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sooo you don’t value a traditional Arena style Halo?
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> > > > >
> > > > > Traditional arena style halo does not have sprint.
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> > > >
> > > > Well it does now and it works fine.
> > >
> > >
> > > No it doesn’t and that is your subjective opinion, not a fact.
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> > It’s also your opinion that it doesn’t work.
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> Obviously
It’ll always be an opinion fight until we can get such a Halo and see definitive results lol.
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> > > > > > > > > Don’t lie to me 343 obviously doesn’t care after mcc…
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> > > > > > > > That’s a topic for another thread.
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> > > > > > > > But hey if you don’t think they care, why did they release ODST and Remnant for free, give a free month of Xbox Live and release several patches??
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> > > > > > > > Yeah they obviously don’t care about Halo MCC at all. /s
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> > > > > > > > I bet you’ll say they don’t care after the next patch they release.
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> > > > > > > There hasn’t been any news about the MCC for a month and a half…
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> > > > > > Doesn’t matter. They’ve shown they care with what they’ve done so far. It’s going to come to an end eventually.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course they care, however, most of the veterans are wishing the formula wasn’t meddled with an kept the same. I see the changes applied in H5 are better than them ones made in H4.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except that sprint still remains whyyyy 343.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because most people like it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people cannot articulate why they like or dislike a game or a game’s mechanic.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pulled 100 people out of MM and asked them to write a paragraph about sprint’s effects on halo map design you may get 1 person that doesnt reply with what?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 liking it means much more than a what a horde of randoms thinks. Stick with that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. Most people know why they like sprint. Because they can go faster is the biggest reason. You don’t have to be a design expert to like a feature or carry any sort of weight with your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way you describe game design sounds like some Mad Scientist rambling about how he found the perfect formula and then when people don’t like his concoction, he screams wildly at them that it’s perfect and they’re just wrong.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly! They like the most surface layer, but are totally unaware of the more subtle effects. Even though those effects could cause them to not like the game.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Like what? Map elongation? How people feel about the game is all that matters.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Ya. And if they feel “this game isn’t fun”, that matters.
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> > > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that whether they know it or not, sprint is the main reason for the decline in halo mp popularity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Really? Not Armor Abilities? Not Ordnance? Not perks or loadouts? Not the horribly one-sided weapon sandbox? Not because it’s more or less the same gameplay we’ve had for over 10 years?
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > There were playlist in reach and h4 that removed those things. Population did not rise in them. There was one playlist that removed sprint and population EXPLODED in it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That’s a lie. Provide some sources and evidence please.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you play Halo Reach and Halo 4?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you play the MLG playlist? Did you play Legendary Slayer?
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> > > > > > Yes. Population did not “explode”. Other playlists had more population than those two at peak times.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you say otherwise I’d love to see some proof.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When the MLG playlist in Reach dropped sprint it exploded(compared to what it was prior). Everything and anything else they had previously added or removed from the playlist had had no noticeable effect on playlist population.
> > > > >
> > > > > Legendary Slayer. It removed pretty much everything other than sprint and it still resonated with next to nobody.
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> > > > > Sprint is THE issue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So no proof then other than your opinion. Got it.
> > > >
> > > > Basically if it went from 1050 to 2000 you’re going to say it exploded. I see where this is going. Doesn’t matter, Sprint won’t be removed from Halo 5, the game will sell well and everyone will be having fun.
> > >
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> > > Its not an opinion. Its what happened. Populatiom went from roughly 1000 to 5000. A 5x increase is substantial.
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> > > We will have to wait and see how many people have fun with h5 mp. If its anything like h4, it wont be many.
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> >
> > Meh… Any playlist explodes when it’s put back into rotation. If it lasts for two weeks, by the second week the numbers dwindle. This isn’t anything new and isn’t substantial evidence for your theory that everyone hates sprint and sprint ruins Halo.
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> The MLG playlist was never out of rotation. It was a permanent playlist.