343 Cares

Hey everybody, most of us here are up pretty late, eh? 4:18 AM at the moment of me typing this right now. Anyways, I woke up about an hour ago and am pretty bored. Why not make another thread for people to read? Well let’s get to it I’m just going to sort of wing it on this one, no hours of planning this time.

I think that 343 really does care about us and about Halo. It can be hard to see that sometimes, especially when your favorite character doesn’t make it into the game or there’s additions you don’t like, whatever your reason may be. Being a Triple-A studio can be a pretty cold practice because there’s a lot of pressure to not only succeed but make a game that’s going to sell millions of copies. Halo is pretty much expected to sell Xboxes. In the midst of all this chaos with video games in the recent years, we’ve seen many companies throw out little dog treats to us. Like look at Bungie with Destiny. They apologized to their fans by giving them the option to buy $20 DLC and then you’ve got little things that every company does or says like: “We are so grateful for your support. Here’s a free weapon skin!”

Now these little “dog treats” that game developers keep throwing us aren’t really bad things. I mean, sure, I’ll take a free Dog Tag in Battlefield 4. It’s better than nothing I guess but all it feels like is a special pat on the back and a “Good boy!”. Should game developers have to completely bend over to what their fans/consumers want? No, it’s not right for gamers to make huge demands for no reason other than “I bought your game and loved it, now you owe me”. But when I see game companies like Activision saying how much they care about making the best quality game for the fans, I can’t help but feel like I’m being lied to. I’m not saying that the game is going to be really bad but it’s clear to me that they’re not giving it their all, at least not in our best interests.

Let me dive into that some more to make it really clear. CoD comes out yearly so it feels like the project is never massive and ambitious from the beginning. It also comes out on next gen and last gen consoles. What this tells me is that they could have made a superior game but they’d rather keep it dumbed down to increase sales. They also never have a proper beta, which is nitpicky to some but I feel it’s very important in this day and age. Any beta released by CoD and even Destiny has been nothing more than a glorified demo, in my opinion. No dedicated servers either and you know that they have the money to do it, they just don’t want to spend any extra cash on making the player’s experience with the game more enjoyable. Think about that, they won’t spend the money to reduce lag in their game that is mostly played online by millions of people. To top it all off, they throw out a season pass that costs like $50, almost as much as the game itself. Their goal is to make money, like any company, but it’s hurting the gamers more than they’d like to admit. I can never take games like CoD as if it were made entirely for me, as a gamer, because of the reasons above. Arkham Knight came with like 6 different DLCs on launch day and one is even exclusive to the PS4. Why should I buy it on day one? I’m better off waiting for the whole package to get bundled up and put on sale for a week so I can save myself a lot of money.

Let’s take a look at 2 other game companies that, in my opinion, practice their craft much better. The Coalition (Gears of War 4) has come out and said that they are entirely focused on making Gears 4 a true Gears game. They accept that their sales won’t be as good but they feel the trade off is worth it. Gears will never reach CoD numbers and that’s perfectly fine because its the underdog. Gears 4 releases Holiday 2016 and they are going to have a beta in spring earlier that year. It’s clear that they care about making the best possible game that people can play for years, not just for a single year until the next installment comes out. The game is being built to stand the test of time. CoD is designed to keep your attention with dog treats and DLC juuust long enough for the next game to come out.

Then we have 343 and Halo 5. They have taken our feedback from Halo 4 and it’s clear that they are on the right track. Halo 5’s multiplayer is completely reworked with the fans in mind. A giant campaign that’s non-linear shows that they care about the campaign experience. The game had a properly timed beta which shows that they care about the quality of the game. All DLC is completely free. If you buy the base game, you get everything that’s usable in the game. People that aren’t even diehard Halo fans will be excited to boot up the game 6 months after it comes out because they can check out the new free stuff. The community is no longer split apart by map packs and the game has been completely designed around its new features. This shows that 343 cares about making things work. Shoehorning an Exo suit into your game is a gimmick. What 343 has done is art and careful design. Bringing Blue Team into the game, Warzone, Arena, these few examples, among many, prove that 343 cares about making Halo 5 the best that it can be for years to come.

It proves that they care about the player’s experience with the game. Who wants to pay for map packs just so they can play with their friends? Who wants to play a game that hasn’t even been properly tested? What you do want is to have fun with your friends, drive a cool Mech around and blow -Yoink- up while not being bombarded with microtransactions and DLC every time you start up the game. You want to play a story that is engaging and easy to play with friends. Wanna play as that character? Go for it, pick him. No hoops to jump through, no having to be the third person to join to play as your favorite character. You want to play a balanced game that harkens back to the old days of traditional Arena combat without having someone call in a Chopper Gunner after he camped in a patch of grass for the whole game.

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Nah just kidding. I know that 343 actually do care about the game and making it as best as they can be. But you know how it is with people. You change something to either make it so it’s better or a feature that can’t really be put in due to issues it may have, such as split screen, or there being no firefight. And all they do is complain as if 343 are ruining it.

The fact of the matter is that they are trying to improve the Halo series and do what they can to make it more enjoyable and have more re-playability. Besides they have it so that if people want PVE Warzone enough after the H5 launch, they’ll work on it.

+1 for this great post.

The part about developers giving out things as a thank you reminded me of when DICE gave out a map pack in BF3 because they hit the milestone of 1 Billion (I think it was) play hours total. I thought the map pack was great, and it felt like it carried a decent amount of value since the more recent battlefields seem to just be cash-grabs (basically P2W).

Also, be ready to be bombarded with replies about Req Packs, or the million other things some people don’t like about Halo 5 (Elites, splitscreen, firefight, vehicle designs, any design, weapons, abilities, maps, direction, any possible angle on the game…etc…).

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Sorry about the length, I didn’t realize it was so long until I looked at it after I was done xD

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To put it simply ― game devs want to create good games. Even if a game turns out to be a huge pile of -Yoink- (poop), odds are that the devs were trying to make something that they thought people would really like (I’m looking at you, Ride to Hell). So when people get on the forums, lacking even the most basic knowledge in relation to game development, and say stupid -Yoink- (crap) like “Oh, they hate their fans because they did so and so!”, it’s hard to sit there and not think that they’re -Yoinking!- (fire trucking) idiots. Game devs don’t hate you, they may not love you, but they don’t hate you ― they just want to make something that they will enjoy and you will enjoy while getting payed to do so.
Anyway, good post.

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It’s fine. You wanted to get all the points across. Best to have detail. I just like to joke a little hence the top thing.

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I figured :stuck_out_tongue:

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> To put it simply ― game devs want to create good games. Even if a game turns out to be a huge pile of -Yoink- (poop), odds are that the devs were trying to make something that they thought people would like (I’m looking at you, Ride to Hell). So when people get on the forums, lacking even the most basic knowledge in relation to game development, and say stupid -Yoink- (crap) like “Oh, they hate their fans because they did so and so!”, it’s hard to sit there and not think that they’re -Yoinking!- (fire trucking) idiots. Game devs don’t hate you, the may not love you, but they don’t hate you ― they just want to make something that they will enjoy and you will enjoy while getting payed to do so.

I agree with you 100%, but game devs need to start interacting with their communities more. And I’m not just talking about 343.
We live in a time where people can send a tweet to their favorite celebrity and actually get a reply. Devs need to stop acting like faceless companies and talk to their fans.

Digital Extremes (people behind Warframe and Dark Sector) are super interactive. They have weekly podcasts, pick their favorite fan art (and they do it often), respond on the forums, and even have a “design council” where regular players (and early supporters of the game) can decide on things like release order of products, names for certain things, new characters, and loads more.
Basically, you can easily contact the developers and talk to them. And they would (probably) happily tell you why they made a design change to this, or decided to add that. I know that when I watch their podcasts, I feel like they’re my friends. I see that they’re people just like me, who have ideas that they want to express. And I know that they can make mistakes. Example: In one podcast, they were showing off an early build and a rework of a character. And while they were doing that, they accidentally revealed a feature they had been toying with and were going to talk about a few weeks later.

I know 343 has things like the bulletin and the Sprint, but I just don’t get the same feeling of interactivity. Right now it feels like I could complain until the forum ran out of space, and I still wouldn’t be seen or heard by 343. And that if they did, by some miracle, see my complaints, they wouldn’t bother addressing my complaints in any way.

Great, refreshing post and I completely agree.

You can see from the various vidocs (Campaign, Warzone, Arena) that they all have a genuine passion for what they’re creating, and that is what gets me more excited about Halo 5.

343 do a quite a bit of interaction with fans (Twitter, Neogaf, TB etc - Strangely absent on here though), but I can imagine it’s a tricky balancing act. Once you start replying to a few people then more & more people start expecting an instant reply to their trivial questions .

Yet again, ZoomGears swoops in with a great post. While your post is excellent on the whole, I think you blew over something rather important.

> Should game developers have to completely bend over to what their fans/consumers want? No, it’s not right for gamers to make huge demands for no reason other than “I bought your game and loved it, now you owe me”.

A lot of people have this sense of entitlement and think that because they’re long-time Halo fans, that somehow gives them the right to more or less control the development process. “I’ve been playing since CE, and this new feature goes against what I think Halo is all about, but 343 won’t remove it!”

343 listens to the fans, they take the core complaints and make adjustments to fix the problem. For example: people complained about sprint in Halo 4. For the most part, people weren’t actually complaining about the idea of having sprint, they were complaining about the way that it was implemented and the negative effects it had on gameplay. So 343 fixed sprint. Whether you agree or not, sprint is now so balanced and risky/rewarding that you only see people sprinting to get from point A to point B faster, and never in combat. Certainly not to desperately flee a losing battle like you could/would in Halo 4.

343 didn’t just remove sprint because people didn’t like it Halo 4, they fixed it so that people would like it, or at least not mind it. This goes to show that they do have a vision for Halo, but that they are not unwilling to make corrections and alterations to their vision on behalf of that fans. As gamers and lovers of the franchise, this is all we should be asking. We shouldn’t be trying to take a mile every time 343 gives an inch. At the end of the day, Halo is their game, not ours, and they don’t have to listen to a word we say if they don’t want to.

They care. They just don’t care about anyone they feel falls in a “minority”.

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If I said I wanted the Mongoose to be redesigned as pink tricycle with tassels on the handles, that would make me a minority. Should 343 listen to my feedback and redesign the mongoose on my behalf?

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Only if you give them a large investment in order to redesign it.

I’m from Spain and I know English of course (It’s my degree), and I don’t usually read long posts, but I have to say this post worth it.
Great post, my friend

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Thank you so much for taking the time to read the whole thing and then comment!

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> The Coalition (Gears of War 4) has come out and said that they are entirely focused on making Gears 4 a true Gears game. They accept that their sales won’t be as good but they feel the trade off is worth it.

If only Halo was assigned a developer like this.

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Holy strawman batman

Great post, OP.

I’m only really familiar with Bungie and 343, so my experience only speaks to those developers, but I’m sure all truly care. I doubt anybody goes into game development for the money. Everyone I’ve met is either incredibly passionate about their craft or made their way into the industry because they love it. So they all care…

It’s just which developers are allowed to really give back to their fans. Ironically, Bungie left MS because they wanted creative freedom, but signed with Activision and gave away the rights to everything else. Activision has investors to appease, so Destiny has been monetized to create that return. Because constant revenue streams and a large player base are the key drivers for what Activision considers success, Bungie must answer that first, and plenty of things get left in the wake. Instead of a deep, immersive story, and the development that requires, players get RNG and $20-$40 DLC every few months.

MS has really given 343 the freedom to deliver on a vision for Halo that I’m totally on board with. 343 is allowed to explore character development in a variety of media, when I doubt everything they do meets a profit margin requirement. But the players get this expansive universe to sick their teeth into. Then 343 has the freedom to introduce a brand new fireteam and put an old favorite into the game. And then they have the freedom to do what’s best for the players, not a stockholder, by giving free DLC to support the game.

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Wait, you mean that my undying love for Halo and the fact that I’ve been playing since CE isn’t enough to get 343 to acknowledge my burning desire for a pink tricycle? Well shoot, I guess 343 really doesn’t care about me! Halo is dead!

Stop it OP, you’re making too much sense.