343 care more about money than the halo community

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Okay its time to face fact. 343 do not care about us. They say they do but in reality they don’t. The real priority to 343 Industires are req packs and Microtransactions. They released halo 5 with such a lack of fan favourite modes like grifball, infection, FORGE. Instead they made Warzone the priority. And do you want to know why the focus was so heavy on Warzone? It’s because without Warzone no one would buy the req packs. Would you buy req packs if Warzone never released? No Warzone = No one buying req packs = No $$$. After all the great gamemodes that were in Halo 1-4 you would expect halo 5 to continue that trend. Wrong!
Halo 5 currently has all of the following gamemodes :

  • Slayer - CTF - Swat - FFA - Breakout (new) - Strongholds (new but since territories is absent it doesn’t count) - Warzone (new) - Warzone assault (new, but since its similar invasion it doesn’t count) - BTB (Neglected and added in 1 month post launch) - Grifball (added in 4 months post launch) - Infection (added 7 months post launch) - Doubles (added 8 months post launch) - Warzone firefight (added in 8 months post launch) - Community Action Sack (added in 11 months post launch)Here is a long list of EVERY single halo gamemode ever released that is not present in halo 5 (*takes a VERY deep breath)

  • Oddball - King of the hill - Ricochet - Territories - Juggernaut - Race - Nuetral flag - Nuetral bomb - Extraction - Dominion - Headhunters - VIP - Stockpile - Invasion - Regicide - Multi team - Classic firefight - Snipers - Spartan opson Halo 3s file share Race had over 340,000 downloads. So are 340,000 people no longer a priority to 343? Some of you may be asking well what if 343 ran out of time to add in these gamemodes. Here is your answer. Halo 5 had 3 YEARS of development and there is no way that they “ran out of time” to simply copy and paste modes that were made by Bungie and just throw them into your own game. It’s been almost a year since halo 5 released and it’s still lacking gamemodes that were in all the other previous halos AT LAUNCH. One could say that 343 wanted to be cautious after the biggest video game flop of the 21st Century that some people call ‘The Master Chief Collection’. MCC had 5 games squashed into the one disc where as halo 5 is just the one game.
    Then you have community tool and features being pushed aside.

  • Theatre is a broken mes - Forge was released 2 months post launch - The file share was released 11 -Yoink!- months post launch - Custom games launched with a huge lack of gammodes and optionsThen we have more scout warthogs and weapon skins being added into the game instead of these essential gamemodes. We have Splitscreen being pushed aside in favour of a better frame rate and resolution and Playable elites being downright ignored despite countless forum posts begging for this feature.
    And dont get get me started on things like making halo another modern fps rip off by adding in sprint and ads, the terrible UI and customisation options being completely dumbed down.
    This is direct proof that 343 Industires not caring about the community but instead care about money. 343 really need to prove themselves in halo 6 or they will loose A LOT of fans including myself.

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Breaking news: Company wants more money.

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> Breaking news: Company wants more money.

Yes but it’s not a good business strategy to put money above your own fanbase.

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> Yes but it’s not a good business strategy to put money above your own fanbase.

Seems to be working so far. You know why? This comment:

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> 343 really need to prove themselves in halo 6 or they will loose A LOT of fans including myself.

Know how long we’ve been hearing this? Since Halo 2. Every released Halo game is apparently the worst ever and is the last one they’ll ever buy.

But guess what? People keep buying it.

If you were against 343i in general, you would have stopped after Halo 4, because they created the 14 Day Buy and Play, and basically made $20 worth of DLC for $25.

If you were against money grubbing business, you would have stopped after Halo 3/Halo 3:ODST. Since Bungie literally locked you out of playlists for not having map packs, and they increased the price of ODST from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:

  • Don’t play multiplayer
  • Don’t want the map packs
  • Already have the map packs
  • Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3You are paying more money for the same content.

If you were against broken stuff, you would have stopped after MCC.

If you were against microtransactions, you would not have bought Halo 5 with the knowledge of microtransactions in the game.

Especially in the case of playlists, you were told exactly each and every playlist and map that were in Multiplayer at launch a good while before release. If one was against these decisions, speak with their wallet and don’t buy the game to send a message. But inevitably, the next game is always the company’s last chance, and people will buy it anyway.

There were people who pre-ordered this game, knowing stuff that they hate about it. There are people who are committed to buying Halo 6 already, despite hating so much about Halo 5. They’re yelling at 343i that “this stuff is bad! Stop it!” from one side of their mouths, but throwing money at them, secretly saying “this stuff is good because I’m paying for it!” from the other side.

Money talks.

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All of this is entirely subjective and well… that’s why companies exist, to make money.

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I wouldn’t go that far and say they only care about the money over the community, but I do agree that they’re taking the wrong approach with Halo in regards to playlist management. I actually think they’re taking the wrong approach as a whole in regards to the Halo direction, but that’s for a different thread.

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> > Yes but it’s not a good business strategy to put money above your own fanbase.
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> Seems to be working so far. You know why? This comment:
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> > 343 really need to prove themselves in halo 6 or they will loose A LOT of fans including myself.
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> Know how long we’ve been hearing this? Since Halo 2. Every released Halo game is apparently the worst ever and is the last one they’ll ever buy.
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> But guess what? People keep buying it.
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> If you were against 343i in general, you would have stopped after Halo 4, because they created the 14 Day Buy and Play, and basically made $20 worth of DLC for $25.
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> If you were against money grubbing business, you would have stopped after Halo 3/Halo 3:ODST. Since Bungie literally locked you out of playlists in map packs, and they increased the price from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:
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> - Don’t play multiplayer
> - Don’t want the map packs
> - Already have the map packs
> - Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3
> You are paying more money for the same content.
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> If you were against broken stuff, you would have stopped after MCC.
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> If you were against microtransactions, you would not have bought Halo 5 with the knowledge of microtransactions in the game.
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> Especially in the case of playlists, you were told exactly each and every playlist and map that were in Multiplayer at launch a good while before release. If one was against these decisions, speak with their wallet and don’t buy the game to send a message. But inevitably, the next game is always the company’s last chance, and people will buy it anyway.
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> Money talks.

I only started playing halo a few years ago so I wasn’t here for that but when I say this I mean it. If halo 6 repeats the same mistake as halo 4 and 5 I will give up on the halo franchise for good. And believe me m8. IM NOT JOKING. For me there have been two strikes so far : MCC and Halo 5. Since halo 4 was their first ever game made I’ll give them an exception. I’m hoping that halo 6 isn’t going to be strike 3.

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> All of this is entirely subjective and well… that’s why companies exist, to make money.

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> Breaking news: Company wants more money.

And at 11 water is wet. Back to you Tom.

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I thin they care, just not a ton

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(Looks at Destiny and following DLC) A company care more about money then its community. Never heard of it.

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> > > > Breaking news: Company wants more money.
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> > > Yes but it’s not a good business strategy to put money above your own fanbase.
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> > Seems to be working so far. You know why? This comment:
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> > > 343 really need to prove themselves in halo 6 or they will loose A LOT of fans including myself.
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> >
> > Know how long we’ve been hearing this? Since Halo 2. Every released Halo game is apparently the worst ever and is the last one they’ll ever buy.
> >
> > But guess what? People keep buying it.
> >
> > If you were against 343i in general, you would have stopped after Halo 4, because they created the 14 Day Buy and Play, and basically made $20 worth of DLC for $25.
> >
> > If you were against money grubbing business, you would have stopped after Halo 3/Halo 3:ODST. Since Bungie literally locked you out of playlists in map packs, and they increased the price from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:
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> > - Don’t play multiplayer
> > - Don’t want the map packs
> > - Already have the map packs
> > - Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3
> > You are paying more money for the same content.
> >
> > If you were against broken stuff, you would have stopped after MCC.
> >
> > If you were against microtransactions, you would not have bought Halo 5 with the knowledge of microtransactions in the game.
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> > Especially in the case of playlists, you were told exactly each and every playlist and map that were in Multiplayer at launch a good while before release. If one was against these decisions, speak with their wallet and don’t buy the game to send a message. But inevitably, the next game is always the company’s last chance, and people will buy it anyway.
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> > Money talks.
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> I only started playing halo a few years ago so I wasn’t here for that but when I say this I mean it. If halo 6 repeats the same mistake as halo 4 and 5 I will give up on the halo franchise for good. And believe me m8. IM NOT JOKING. For me there have been two strikes so far : MCC and Halo 5. Since halo 4 was their first ever game made I’ll give them an exception. I’m hoping that halo 6 isn’t going to be strike 3.

Here is a question for you, Whats your number one deal breaker for the next game? Are there specific game modes that you want that if not in the game you won’t buy it? is there one specifically? what about the campaign? Will you rely on reviewers before buying? IF there reduce the TTK to make MP even more fast ? What if they offer some things you want , but not others? what is your deal breaker? I’ll give you one example. I LOVE TitanFall. However for titanFall 2 they have completely ruined the radar/motion sensor. It has completely changed how the game plays. That one thing is a deal breaker for me. Its simple not the same game as TF1. So I won’t be buying it. Period. IF they removed radar completely from Halo. I would not buy the game. I came real close to returning H5 because of it. IF they make it worse in H6, I won’t buy the game. There are too many games out there to play to settle for something less than what I want.

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Very unrealistic post… not every previous Halos had individual playlist for a lot if the stuff you listed. Also they announced before H5 even released that game modes would be added later. If 343 “didn’t care” as you accuse they wouldn’t be continuing to update and upgrade the game nearly a year after launch. People complain about the lack of stuff in H5 but look at some other games out there. Some are online multiplayer only, didn’t even come with a campaign. Some only launched with only a few missions and no multiplayer. So having a campaign and multiplayer with two different game modes was pretty good. The choice is basically this… would you rather wait longer between games and get more at launch or get the game with some content a bit sooner and have stuff added as you play… tough choice in a way. Recently I have asked myself would I have rather have Halo 5 launch this year as it is now or should they have launched as they did… I have enjoyed H5 for the last year so I guess I don’t mind the add as they go model.

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> > > > > Breaking news: Company wants more money.
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> > > > Yes but it’s not a good business strategy to put money above your own fanbase.
> > >
> > >
> > > Seems to be working so far. You know why? This comment:
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> > > > 343 really need to prove themselves in halo 6 or they will loose A LOT of fans including myself.
> > >
> > >
> > > Know how long we’ve been hearing this? Since Halo 2. Every released Halo game is apparently the worst ever and is the last one they’ll ever buy.
> > >
> > > But guess what? People keep buying it.
> > >
> > > If you were against 343i in general, you would have stopped after Halo 4, because they created the 14 Day Buy and Play, and basically made $20 worth of DLC for $25.
> > >
> > > If you were against money grubbing business, you would have stopped after Halo 3/Halo 3:ODST. Since Bungie literally locked you out of playlists in map packs, and they increased the price from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Don’t play multiplayer
> > > - Don’t want the map packs
> > > - Already have the map packs
> > > - Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3
> > > You are paying more money for the same content.
> > >
> > > If you were against broken stuff, you would have stopped after MCC.
> > >
> > > If you were against microtransactions, you would not have bought Halo 5 with the knowledge of microtransactions in the game.
> > >
> > > Especially in the case of playlists, you were told exactly each and every playlist and map that were in Multiplayer at launch a good while before release. If one was against these decisions, speak with their wallet and don’t buy the game to send a message. But inevitably, the next game is always the company’s last chance, and people will buy it anyway.
> > >
> > > Money talks.
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> >
> > I only started playing halo a few years ago so I wasn’t here for that but when I say this I mean it. If halo 6 repeats the same mistake as halo 4 and 5 I will give up on the halo franchise for good. And believe me m8. IM NOT JOKING. For me there have been two strikes so far : MCC and Halo 5. Since halo 4 was their first ever game made I’ll give them an exception. I’m hoping that halo 6 isn’t going to be strike 3.
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> Here is a question for you, Whats your number one deal breaker for the next game? Are there specific game modes that you want that if not in the game you won’t buy it? is there one specifically? what about the campaign? Will you rely on reviewers before buying? IF there reduce the TTK to make MP even more fast ? What if they offer some things you want , but not others? what is your deal breaker? I’ll give you one example. I LOVE TitanFall. However for titanFall 2 they have completely ruined the radar/motion sensor. It has completely changed how the game plays. That one thing is a deal breaker for me. Its simple not the same game as TF1. So I won’t be buying it. Period. IF they removed radar completely from Halo. I would not buy the game. I came real close to returning H5 because of it. IF they make it worse in H6, I won’t buy the game. There are too many games out there to play to settle for something less than what I want.

I want a good story, a complete game and no sprint/ads/thruster etc.

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I highly doubt this. If 343i really cared about money more than the community, they would have charged for all the monthly updates, despite the fact these updates contain content that was needed at launch. Such a practice is what many companies, including Bungie nowadays, subscribe to. At least 343i is different from them.

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> Very unrealistic post… not every previous Halos had individual playlist for a lot if the stuff you listed. Also they announced before H5 even released that game modes would be added later. If 343 “didn’t care” as you accuse they wouldn’t be continuing to update and upgrade the game nearly a year after launch. People complain about the lack of stuff in H5 but look at some other games out there. Some are online multiplayer only, didn’t even come with a campaign. Some only launched with only a few missions and no multiplayer. So having a campaign and multiplayer with two different game modes was pretty good. The choice is basically this… would you rather wait longer between games and get more at launch or get the game with some content a bit sooner and have stuff added as you play… tough choice in a way. Recently I have asked myself would I have rather have Halo 5 launch this year as it is now or should they have launched as they did… I have enjoyed H5 for the last year so I guess I don’t mind the add as they go model.

I know that not every gamemode I mentioned in should be in halo 5 but the fact that core gamemodes like BTB and infection were released post launch is ridiculous. The fact that the game has been out for almost a year and KOTH and Oddball are still not in the matchmaking is just unbelievable.

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> > > > > > Breaking news: Company wants more money.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes but it’s not a good business strategy to put money above your own fanbase.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Seems to be working so far. You know why? This comment:
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> > > >
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> > > > > 343 really need to prove themselves in halo 6 or they will loose A LOT of fans including myself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Know how long we’ve been hearing this? Since Halo 2. Every released Halo game is apparently the worst ever and is the last one they’ll ever buy.
> > > >
> > > > But guess what? People keep buying it.
> > > >
> > > > If you were against 343i in general, you would have stopped after Halo 4, because they created the 14 Day Buy and Play, and basically made $20 worth of DLC for $25.
> > > >
> > > > If you were against money grubbing business, you would have stopped after Halo 3/Halo 3:ODST. Since Bungie literally locked you out of playlists in map packs, and they increased the price from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Don’t play multiplayer
> > > > - Don’t want the map packs
> > > > - Already have the map packs
> > > > - Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3
> > > > You are paying more money for the same content.
> > > >
> > > > If you were against broken stuff, you would have stopped after MCC.
> > > >
> > > > If you were against microtransactions, you would not have bought Halo 5 with the knowledge of microtransactions in the game.
> > > >
> > > > Especially in the case of playlists, you were told exactly each and every playlist and map that were in Multiplayer at launch a good while before release. If one was against these decisions, speak with their wallet and don’t buy the game to send a message. But inevitably, the next game is always the company’s last chance, and people will buy it anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Money talks.
> > >
> > >
> > > I only started playing halo a few years ago so I wasn’t here for that but when I say this I mean it. If halo 6 repeats the same mistake as halo 4 and 5 I will give up on the halo franchise for good. And believe me m8. IM NOT JOKING. For me there have been two strikes so far : MCC and Halo 5. Since halo 4 was their first ever game made I’ll give them an exception. I’m hoping that halo 6 isn’t going to be strike 3.
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> > Here is a question for you, Whats your number one deal breaker for the next game? Are there specific game modes that you want that if not in the game you won’t buy it? is there one specifically? what about the campaign? Will you rely on reviewers before buying? IF there reduce the TTK to make MP even more fast ? What if they offer some things you want , but not others? what is your deal breaker? I’ll give you one example. I LOVE TitanFall. However for titanFall 2 they have completely ruined the radar/motion sensor. It has completely changed how the game plays. That one thing is a deal breaker for me. Its simple not the same game as TF1. So I won’t be buying it. Period. IF they removed radar completely from Halo. I would not buy the game. I came real close to returning H5 because of it. IF they make it worse in H6, I won’t buy the game. There are too many games out there to play to settle for something less than what I want.
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> I want a good story
> I complete game
> No sprint/ads/thruster etc

  1. A good story? that is completely subjective, I liked H4 and H5’s campaigns. There is no way they can guarantee to write a story to make you happy even with their best efforts.
  2. A complete game? Again Subjective. Now that H5 has Action Sack I consider it to be a complete game.
  3. Got news for you buddy. Sprint in some form will be in H6. Count on it. So will ADS, so will thrusters. No I don’t have sources. But I See what they pros use and what they don’t. they use sprint. they use ADS, they use thrusters. Unless they say differently I have no reason to think they won’t be in H6. They don’t use Spartan charge. so that might not be in the game. IF they have sprint will you not buy it? What if they have sprint but no ADS or thrusters?
    What if they have 2 of the three?
  4. You never answered my question. What is your dealbreaker?
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> Yes but it’s not a good business strategy to put money above your own fanbase.

Lol works for just about every publicly traded stock in the world?

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> > > Breaking news: Company wants more money.
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> > Yes but it’s not a good business strategy to put money above your own fanbase.
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> Seems to be working so far. You know why? This comment:
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> > 343 really need to prove themselves in halo 6 or they will loose A LOT of fans including myself.
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> Know how long we’ve been hearing this? Since Halo 2. Every released Halo game is apparently the worst ever and is the last one they’ll ever buy.
>
> But guess what? People keep buying it.
>
> If you were against 343i in general, you would have stopped after Halo 4, because they created the 14 Day Buy and Play, and basically made $20 worth of DLC for $25.
>
> If you were against money grubbing business, you would have stopped after Halo 3/Halo 3:ODST. Since Bungie literally locked you out of playlists for not having map packs, and they increased the price of ODST from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:
>
>
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> - Don’t play multiplayer
> - Don’t want the map packs
> - Already have the map packs
> - Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3
> You are paying more money for the same content.
>
> If you were against broken stuff, you would have stopped after MCC.
>
> If you were against microtransactions, you would not have bought Halo 5 with the knowledge of microtransactions in the game.
>
> Especially in the case of playlists, you were told exactly each and every playlist and map that were in Multiplayer at launch a good while before release. If one was against these decisions, speak with their wallet and don’t buy the game to send a message. But inevitably, the next game is always the company’s last chance, and people will buy it anyway.
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> There were people who pre-ordered this game, knowing stuff that they hate about it. There are people who are committed to buying Halo 6 already, despite hating so much about Halo 5. They’re yelling at 343i that “this stuff is bad! Stop it!” from one side of their mouths, but throwing money at them, secretly saying “this stuff is good because I’m paying for it!” from the other side.
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> Money talks.

Well…OP is buried now. This post needs to be its own permanent reference topic.

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> People complain about the lack of stuff in H5 but look at some other games out there.

Other games aren’t really relevant when Halo already has a vast history of releasing a decent amount of playlists at launch or in a reasonable amount of time. Maybe we’re a little spoiled in that regard, but at the same time, it’s become the standard in Halo games and 343 should try and uphold that. When they change that formula like they’ve done with almost everything, people are going to be upset. 1-4 months to add stuff is reasonable, but 11 months for modes like Action Sack for example is unacceptable.