Now that h3 is backwards compatible, is there any chance you guys could do a little work on the stats section for h3? Because we have to be real, compared to every other Halo title the stats you provide us for this game are just straight up trash. I’m not even asking for that much guys; if you could even let us know what our k/d is I would be over the moon. Even better would be too break it up into ranked and social k/d like Bungie used to do, and add a medal tracker, but I honestly understand if that’s asking too much. I just wish this wasn’t the only title in the whole series where I can’t even figure out my damn k/d ratio. What I really don’t understand is you guys used to show us our h3 k/d up until ~2013, so it IS possible to do. Come on guys, please just take the time to give your site this little tiny update. I know I speak for many h3 players when I say it would be greatly appreciated.
that would be nice even though im probsbly ashamed of my KD it would be nice to see what it is from the last 8 years that ive played
Hey bro… You’re barking up the wrong tree. Microsoft is responsible for the Bungie BC games not 343. I’d post this in the Back Compatible Issues up at the top of this page.
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I can do that, but this is 343’s site, and they control what stats they show, no?
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No… They just sync data (achievements, etc.) between servers. The Back-Compat post by Ske7th at the top of the page explains it.
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I personally don’t think this is a backwards compatibility issue at all, because the stats from H3 played on X360 also don’t show up here. Basically, the fact that the games are now BC doesn’t affect what OP is discussing. Imagine the OP started replaying H3 on their X360 and would like to check their stats- that’s basically what’s happening here since the Xbone is emulating the X360.
The transition from Bungie to 343i led to the H3, ODST, and even to an extent Reach stats being somewhat underwhelming. Which is understandable- I imagine it’s quite difficult to work with a different company’s software and whatnot.
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The stats for backwards compatible H3 and H3 on the 360 are the same. When you play a 360 game on the xbox one it is just being emulated. The game (and the stats that come with it) read as if you’ve played it on the 360. Essentially the OP is requesting that waypoint be modified to show stats from a ten year old game. The fact that it is backwards compatible is irrelevant in this case. It doesn’t seem like it would be a worthwhile use of the 343’s time to me, but to each his own.
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H5 is first game I’ve played multiplayer…lol. I’ve played all the Halo’s but never online (campaign only). Thanks for the info… I didn’t know MS or Bungie didn’t have an online place like Waypoint to check stats, etc. That’s why I mention Ske7ch’s post thinking he might have some luck there. Being MS would probably be handling it, like you said, it’s very unlikely they would pay 343 to add it on.
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That’s the thing though - Halo 3 is the only game where the stats are just flat out unacceptable. ODST and Reach certainly have underwhelming stats compared to what Bungie gave us, but honestly those two at least show you the essentials. Heck Reach even has a medal tracker implemented. In fact, 343 used to show the k/d for Halo 3 on this site a few years back. That’s why it’s so crazy they took it out and won’t put it back in. Also, h3 made the terrible decision not to show k/d in game so we are basically out of luck for determining this stat unless 343 decides to help out.
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Well, you probably don’t play h3 on the 360 anymore, so it’s not a surprise you would feel this way. Honestly though, I don’t believe I’m asking for that much. Whenever I play a match on h3 my kills update instantly, so its not like these stats aren’t being recorded anymore. I acknowledge it would take a small website update to make this happen, but websites get updated all the time. The stat section for h3 actually underwent an update in 2015 on this site, although sadly they didn’t add the k/d back in. It’s pretty weird though to show us our multiplayer kills but not the deaths… even if you did that it would be awesome. I can do the math if need be, just let us know our deaths so we can determine our k/d.
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> Well, you probably don’t play h3 on the 360 anymore, so it’s not a surprise you would feel this way. Honestly though, I don’t believe I’m asking for that much. Whenever I play a match on h3 my kills update instantly, so its not like these stats aren’t being recorded anymore. I acknowledge it would take a small website update to make this happen, but websites get updated all the time.
You don’t seem to have a strong understanding of the amount of work that goes into updating a website. People always seem to think that things are easier or simpler than they actually are. Yes websites get updated ‘all the time’, but those are the benefit of weeks or months of work that you don’t get to see. It’s one of the many reasons I’m thankful when 343 does update this website in a significant manner. They’ve put countless hours into the effort and most people are just going to write it off as an ‘easy update.’ Combine that with the fact the H3 has the population you’d expect from a ten year old game and it doesn’t seem like it’s would be worth it to me. You obviously feel differently and that is okay, but you shouldn’t underestimate the amount of work that goes into these things.
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Lol actually, I do have a decent understanding of web design. I have received a very good grade in a web design class that involved building several sites from scratch. I’m certainly not an expert, but I think I know what I’m talking about here. Saying it would take “weeks or months” for what I’m asking is just not correct. Now yes, if they gave this game what Reach has by implementing a whole separate page with a medal tracker, game records etc. we might have a different story, but I specifically said I’m not really expecting that. If they just add a “deaths” stat for this game, they will just use the same kind of commands they use for the “kills” section. The hardest part by far would be just doing whatever they have to do to get the stats from the servers to update on this site, but once that’s done it would be a matter of adjusting the margins so everything would fit on the webpage and we’d be good to go. Your comment presumes that this would need the work of a “significant” update, but in fact what I’m asking for is actually pretty minor.
Just to clarify, I’m not saying this would take zero work and I’d be very grateful if 343 could find the effort to do it. It just sucks that Halo 3 gets such inadequate stats compared to any other title in the series.
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> Lol actually, I do have a decent understanding of web design. I have received a very good grade in a web design class that involved building several sites from scratch. I’m certainly not an expert, but I think I know what I’m talking about here.Saying it would take “weeks or months” for what I’m asking is just not correct. Now yes, if they gave this game what Reach has by implementing a whole separate page with a medal tracker, game records etc. we might have a different story, but I specifically said I’m not really expecting that. If they just add a “deaths” stat for this game, they will just use the same kind of commands they use for the “kills” section. The hardest part by far would be just doing whatever they have to do to get the stats from the servers to update on this site, but once that’s done it would be a matter of adjusting the margins so everything would fit on the webpage and we’d be good to go. Your comment presumes that this would need the work of a “significant” update, but in fact what I’m asking for is actually pretty minor.
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Lets start off simply.
A:Taking a web design course doesn’t make you an authority on the subject. It doesn’t work that way.
B: I never gave a timeline of how long it would take. I stated that most website updates require a significant amount of behind the scenes work often starting weeks or months prior to the update. If you’re going to bother responding you should do so to what I said, not what you wanted me to have said.
C: You (Nor I) currently don’t have enough information to know how long it would take. Right now you know the website reads the tracking of certain stats from Halo 3. (games played, etc.) You don’t know if it even tracks the death counter currently or what it would take to do so if it doesn’t. We don’t know if they were given the stat tracking system used at B.net or had to design one from scratch. It isn’t a good idea to assume that it’s a simple task when you have no idea how long it would take. Assuming it would be relatively easy for people to do something when you don’t have all the information isn’t the wisest move.
D: Halo 3 is still a ten year old game and I believe your stats are still viewable at B.net. The ability to see your stats already exists off-site.https://halo.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=AngusBeef725+&sg=0 I don’t believe B.net updates these days, but you can see what your stats were.
As a web myself developer I can tell you it absolutely could take more than a week to do something like this. Not to be rude, but I couldn’t agree that you know what you’re talking about.
- Making sure the resources ( dev time ) are there to start investigation - planning the work around other tasks for a given sprint - actually investigating what it what it would take, local testing - test deploy to staging environment - sign off / review - schedule release for minimal impact / downtime - likely around the time of a pre-planned releaseWhen you’re doing a small site or something just for yourself the sure you could probably batter something out in a few hours or days, but when it comes to something lime Waypoint then you need to take a more structured approach to things.
It always sounds like it would take 5 mins and that’s pretty much never the case when you are working with legacy code / APIs.
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> C: You (Nor I) currently don’t have enough information to know how long it would take. Right now you know the website reads the tracking of certain stats from Halo 3. (games played, etc.) You don’t know if it even tracks the death counter currently or what it would take to do so if it doesn’t. We don’t know if they were given the stat tracking system used at B.net or had to design one from scratch. It isn’t a good idea to assume that it’s a simple task when you have no idea how long it would take. Assuming it would be relatively easy for people to do something when you don’t have all the information isn’t the wisest move.
> D: Halo 3 is still a ten year old game and I believe your stats are still viewable at B.net. The ability to see your stats already exists off-site.https://halo.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=AngusBeef725+&sg=0 I don’t believe B.net updates these days, but you can see what your stats were.
A. Dude, one of the first things I said was “I’m certainly not an expert”…glad we agree I guess? I was responding to your comment “You don’t seem to have a strong understanding of the amount of work that goes into updating a website.” When, in reality, there’s a decent chance I know more about it than you.
B. Then idk why you mentioned “weeks to months” of work to update certain websites. I was talking about this specific request, not some other hypothetical web redesign you may be thinking about. I mean, when I read something like that in a thread I assume you are discussing the topic at hand.
C. We know that deaths were being counted at least into the middle of 2013, well after the handover from Bungie was completed. As I said this site did actually update k/d up until that point (it might have even gone into 2014 before they took it out but my memory isn’t good enough at this point for me to be confident stating that). 343 has mentioned numerous times how little they are involved with the past games so I really can’t imagine they specifically took the time to stop the stat from being tracked. If they did though then it would be great if they would tell us that, at least then I would know all hope is lost.
D. Those stats were last updated on March 31, 2012. Literally over half of the games lifespan has passed without Bungie tracking the stats. That page is quite useless to me or anyone else after so much time.
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Alright, I can see how all of that would take some time. And I know almost nothing about the API process, as I stated earlier. If I wasn’t clear before, I was meaning that the actual process of having the developer redesign the site once everything was ready would be fairly quick. I wasn’t really counting the corporate logistics into that at all. I could see the API taking a while to figure out, but my point is that once this stuff is sorted it wouldn’t be that horrible of an update.
A few months ago, this site added a whole new section for Halo Wars 2. My request would be easy, in comparison to a task like that.
To be quite honest though, I don’t really care how long this would take. If that sounds unreasonable, I can see how someone would see it that way, but its hard when your favorite title in the series happens to be the only one where the stats are just complete garbage. It’s frustrating that they had a decent setup a few years back and decided to make it trash for…reasons. I remember back when it happened a bunch of people including mods were insisting it was just a temporary mistake that they would fix with the next update. But here we are, 4 years later…
I do realize this request is probably a waste of time, but that’s what this site is for I guess.
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> A. Dude, one of the first things I said was “I’m certainly not an expert”…glad we agree I guess? I was responding to your comment “You don’t seem to have a strong understanding of the amount of work that goes into updating a website.” When, in reality, there’s a decent chance I know more about it than you.
I’m not sure you’re reading what I actually wrote. Starting from a position of I took a class in this and it would be super easy to do isn’t the kind of thing one should do. If you want to ask for something that’s fine, but assuming this is just something that can be worked out over a lunchbreak when you don’t know that doesn’t make sense.
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> B. Then idk why you mentioned “weeks to months” of work to update certain websites. I was talking about this specific request, not some other hypothetical web redesign you may be thinking about. I mean, when I read something like that in a thread I assume you are discussing the topic at hand.
If you’d read what I posted you would’ve understood. Updates of any kind take time behind the scenes. People have a tendency to assume that things are easier than they are. They just log in and see, “Hey, I get notifications now” not realizing that someone (or some people) worked very hard to get that to occur and occur without breaking someother aspect of the site. We should be thankful to those people. I never stated that what you want would take that long, I don’t know how long it would take and neither do you.
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> C. We know that deaths were being counted at least into the middle of 2013, well after the handover from Bungie was completed. As I said this site did actually update k/d up until that point (it might have even gone into 2014 before they took it out but my memory isn’t good enough at this point for me to be confident stating that). 343 has mentioned numerous times how little they are involved with the past games so I really can’t imagine they specifically took the time to stop the stat from being tracked. If they did though then it would be great if they would tell us that, at least then I would know all hope is lost.
So without knowing why they made a change (if they did so) I’ve never been big on checking my stats (I mostly don’t care and I’ve had a few different accounts over the years) you don’t know how easy it would be to update it to track and show again. They aren’t going to remove functionality without cause.
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> D. Those stats were last updated on March 31, 2012. Literally over half of the games lifespan has passed without Bungie tracking the stats. That page is quite useless to me or anyone else after so much time.
I"m pretty sure I specifically said it didn’t update anymore? Again, I think a lot of the confusion would be removed if you actually took the time to read what I wrote.
Edit: or just read what stckr wrote as he is far more knowledgable than I.
I’m not sure you’re reading what I actually wrote. Starting from a position of I took a class in this and it would be super easy to do isn’t the kind of thing one should do. If you want to ask for something that’s fine, but assuming this is just something that can be worked out over a lunchbreak when you don’t know that doesn’t make sense.
First, I always read a person’s comment before I reply.
Second, I didn’t start off by mentioning my class, I only did that in reply to your comment.
Reading back through this, maybe I was too flippant/not clear enough with my request. I don’t think this can be done in only 5 mins, a lunchbreak etc. My point was more along the lines of this would be a fairly easy update compared to some of the redesigns I’ve seen them do since I started coming to this site. (Adding a whole new section for Halo Wars 2 is a good recent example.)
If you’d read what I posted you would’ve understood. Updates of any kind take time behind the scenes. People have a tendency to assume that things are easier than they are. They just log in and see, “Hey, I get notifications now” not realizing that someone (or some people) worked very hard to get that to occur and occur without breaking someother aspect of the site. We should be thankful to those people. I never stated that what you want would take that long, I don’t know how long it would take and neither do you.
Obviously the updates don’t magically happen, and I am very thankful for all the work they do to try and improve the site. I have said that since the start. If they ever do add k/d back in for this game I’ll be the first on here making a post to thank them for it.
So without knowing why they made a change (if they did so) I’ve never been big on checking my stats (I mostly don’t care and I’ve had a few different accounts over the years) you don’t know how easy it would be to update it to track and show again. They aren’t going to remove functionality without cause.
They definitely did so. Now I agree, no one knows except them and that is frustrating. I wouldn’t say they necessarily had a good cause though seeing as we know almost nothing about this decision. Maybe it was just a mistake they never bothered to correct? As you said, we don’t know either way.
I"m pretty sure I specifically said it didn’t update anymore? Again, I think a lot of the confusion would be removed if you actually took the time to read what I wrote.Edit: or just read what stckr wrote as he is far more knowledgable than I.
I realize you said that, never said otherwise. I just don’t really understand why you even brought that up. The extreme length of time that has passed since those stats were updated render them completely useless now. I could care less what my stats were 5 -1/2 years ago, I’m trying to know what they are now.