Please fix this exploit, in which 2 teams of 2 join a party chat and are a co-ordinated team of 4 bypassing the party size matching restrictions to match against randoms and other 2s.
It really ruins any legitimacy left in Arena (after the boosting and terrible unbalanced maps, there’s not much) and a possible solution would be to ban party chat in Arena.
Now go fix, please.
So let me get this straight…you want 343 to kill team work? Because it’s not fair? Really?
Sadness.
Hey Bazza, remember me? 
i know what he mean’s this is rampant in single digits, basically a team of 4 splits into teams of 2 and still manage to match up together vs randoms.
The again the arena is a joke, average population of 2000, extremely poor skill gap add that to unbalanced maps (red team advantage on most maps…) crutch power weapons… need i go on?
Add multiple ranked lists to classic playlists a la halo 3 and let Arena finally die, it looked good on paper but its seriously flawed.
> So let me get this straight…you want 343 to kill team work? Because it’s not fair? Really?
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No, I want 343i to stop teams of 4 from using an exploit that lets them match a team of un coordinated randoms.
You’re pretty much trying to say that a team of 4 against 4 players who entered alone is a fair match.
> So let me get this straight…you want 343 to kill team work? Because it’s not fair? Really?
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I’m not sure you really understand how the exploit works. The exploit is used to gain an unfair advantage. I’d explain it to you, but I’m short on time.
Unfortunately, this is one of the only ways a good team can find a match without setting it up on their own. Almost everyone I play with is top 1% Onyx, and the only way we can find games most nights is either appearing offline whilst waiting for one of our friends to form a party of four or getting in a lobby party (what you call the “twos trick”).
It’s not helped by one of the causes of it being lack of players in the playlist, as you said Sniperoidz. But if you banned 2s trick then all the 1%s who 2s trick to match each other would face each other in 4s
Explain how to do this “2s Trick”, it sounds good and would allow 3 of my friends to play arena with me (we’re not much good anyway).
> Explain how to do this “2s Trick”, it sounds good and would allow 3 of my friends to play arena with me (we’re not much good anyway).
The four of you split up into two’s and go to seperate lobbies. You prefer each other and you search each other down. You will all be on the same team even though you guys weren’t a full party. My friends always want to do this, but I find it to be very cheap. I’d rather search as a full party and take on the really good teams, even though I lose frequently against them.
I totally agree. The 2s trick ruins what legitimacy there is left in Arena and makes it impossible to secure a high rank in the game because everyone uses it against randoms.
I hate this 
and i hate searching alone…
Removing it outright with no alternative for teams of 4 would be bad for the community, they need an alternative introduced in order to make it possible to still find a match. Otherwise, people are just being punished for being good.
Due to Reach’s extremely high percentiles introduced with Arena, there just aren’t enough people to match up… To4’s are going to end up matching randoms regardless. The best we can hope to do is to factor this into the outcome so that randoms aren’t punished for losing so much and 4’s require many more games in order to get their rank.
In Halo 3, a party of 4 could still occasionally match up against randoms, their overall trueskill would just be factored into the outcome prediction. So for example, you have two teams which have an equal trueskill but one of them is a To4. They are given a +20% boost (random example number) so that trueskill recognizes the To4 should be the predicted winner.
So:
-Remove 2’s trick (ie. if 2’s have matched each other for 2 games in a row, prevent it after that)
-Allow 4’s to more easily match randoms (when NECESSARY)
-Increase trueskill’s modifier to more heavily favour the outcome to the To4
> > So let me get this straight…you want 343 to kill team work? Because it’s not fair? Really?
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> I’m not sure you really understand how the exploit works. The exploit is used to gain an unfair advantage. I’d explain it to you, but I’m short on time.
Apparently I didn’t understand it. I feel like a -Yoink-. Sadface.
> So let me get this straight…you want 343 to kill team work? Because it’s not fair? Really?
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> Sadness.
Arena has party restrictions same as Squad Slayer. But there is a trick where 4 buddys can go in to two partys with 2 players in each and then have a better chance on facing 4 randoms. This way it will be 4 players in a party against 4 randoms.
Sure some do this trick because they cant finde players when they are searching with 4 party players, but it’s not fear to all the randoms.