1-50 Ranking System

Games Other Halo
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I would need a change of pants if there was a Halo 2 1-50 system put into Halo:Reach. You think I’m joking, but I’m not.

I play arena because it is the only thing associated with a rank of some sort right now. However, the ranks were the one reason why I played Halo to begin with. I’m just going to list a few reasons why I believe it would help and please post your opinions.

  1. Promotes teamwork: win as a team, lose as a team. Lone wolf mentality will actually hurt your team because you can’t put two shots on somebody, die and still get as much as a kill. In arena you are playing against your teammates and personally I don’t think that is right.

  2. Arena is not very exciting: At the beginning of the month the population is always high and then after everybody gets rated it drops. I liked it for the first couple of seasons, but I don’t know how much longer I can repeat the same process for. The 1-50 system in Halo 2 was hard to level up in and hardly anybody got past 40, meaning that you would keep playing since there was always room for improvement.

I am in onyx and now I don;t know what to do because there is nowhere else to go.

  1. People are going to complain about boosters and account buyers (This is for you!!!): Boosters- if you go in as a team in arena, you are put with the highest level. That means no more boosting. Nobody got above 45 without cheating so when people saw it they would know who cheated. When nobody cares what level they are unlegit, nobody will bother buying accounts. Problem solved.

TL;DR: There are flaws to the 1-50 rank system but they can be fixed. The positives easily outweigh the negatives.

Comments?

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It was taken out for boosting, and that will happen if it’s brought back, that’s why TrueSkill has more influence now. I understand why you’d want it, but it will just cause more problems. Over time the numbers stopped being an indicator of skill, it was just how much they played, Majors, Brigadiers, 50s, etc… they didn’t matter at the end of Halo 3.

I’d love to know how good someone is in the lobby, but eventually it gets voided out by boosters, if we could get a surefire way to solve that problem it would be great.

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But they have a new system for that. In Reach you will be matched against the highest player you are searching with. In addition to that, Halo 2 didn’t let people get past around a 35 unless you were really good. I was a 33 at the highest in Halo 2 slayer and I was able to get to a 50 in Halo 3. If it was harder to level up than the majority of the problems would be fixed.

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I love that 1-50 ranking is gone; not that it mattered to me anyway. But it was the boosters that ultimately destroyed it.

I wish we could at least view the person’s K/D and/or W/L ratios when waiting in the lobby.

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aVeryEasyTarget, you can view their K/D sort of. Click on the person you want to view, go to their “career” tab, down to matchmaking. There you will see their amount of kills/deaths. You can do a rough estimation of their K/D from there.

Once you get used to this, you can check the opposing team’s “k/d” is about 10 seconds or less. Plenty of time to vote on a map, check their K/Ds and revote if necessary.

So it’s there if you want to see it.

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> aVeryEasyTarget, you can view their K/D sort of. Click on the person you want to view, go to their “career” tab, down to matchmaking. There you will see their amount of kills/deaths. You can do a rough estimation of their K/D from there.
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> Once you get used to this, you can check the opposing team’s “k/d” is about 10 seconds or less. Plenty of time to vote on a map, check their K/Ds and revote if necessary.
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> So it’s there if you want to see it.

Well, I know that way. I’m talking about when you just highlight the person in the lobby.

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I suck. Lets get that over with. I’m not a pro and I can’t aim or whatever else you can think of to call me bad. I usually play by myself or with maybe one other person. Ranked kids are really angry with no 1-50 ranking system but the lesser skilled players are the ones that should be mad. We just want to have fun and play some social style games. With no place for ranked kids to go they get to come in basic Team Slayer and romp all day long. I’m sure the hardcore competitive kids get bored with no competition. With the next Halo game please get these try hards out of my social experience. Thank you 343.

Note: I’m not smack talking try hards. Just saying I don’t like playing against good tactic using full teams. I’m sure this probably wont be changed in Reach so I hope to at least see the 1-50 return in the next game.

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Its ironic that in designing a game to attract casuals, it makes casuals turn away from the game, due to hard rankers now in every single playlist.

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But its fun destroying kids and their guest in double team and only getting “good” matches every 10th game :).

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The problem isn’t a lack of a 1-50 ranking system.

The problem is your search filter not being set up to find closer Matches via true skill.

If there was a 1-50 ranking system in place, you would just have more quitters who now are able to see how good their opponents are before the match begins.

NO, 1 to 50 is NOT needed.

Tighten up the search parameters on your end to find more competitive games.

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Sometimes, when I discover Im playing with an overwhelmingly good time, I have mixed emotions of envy and hatred. I don’t care what my skill level says I am, I just dont have that coordinated agressive skill set (yet,anyway), 14 kills for me is a great match.

I love Halo and the universe involved in it, but with the matchmaking, I definitely have to put myself on the casual list.

Brad

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> The problem isn’t a lack of a 1-50 ranking system.
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> The problem is your search filter not being set up to find closer Matches via true skill.
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> If there was a 1-50 ranking system in place, you would just have more quitters who now are able to see how good their opponents are before the match begins.
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> NO, 1 to 50 is NOT needed.
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> Tighten up the search parameters on your end to find more competitive games.

Those search parameters still don’t work. I set them to skill and good connection but I still always get laggy games with low level people.

I am a general grade 4 and I get pissed when I have to go against anything lower than brigadier and anything higher than legend.

Looks like your argument means nothing my friend.

Yes, 1-50 is needed.
In H3 I rarely played with anyone who wasn’t 3 or 4 skill away from me.

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> > The problem isn’t a lack of a 1-50 ranking system.
> >
> > The problem is your search filter not being set up to find closer Matches via true skill.
> >
> > If there was a 1-50 ranking system in place, you would just have more quitters who now are able to see how good their opponents are before the match begins.
> >
> > NO, 1 to 50 is NOT needed.
> >
> > Tighten up the search parameters on your end to find more competitive games.
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> Those search parameters still don’t work. I set them to skill and good connection but I still always get laggy games with low level people.
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> I am a general grade 4 and I get pissed when I have to go against anything lower than brigadier and anything higher than legend.
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> Looks like your argument means nothing my friend.
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> Yes, 1-50 is needed.
> In H3 I rarely played with anyone who wasn’t 3 or 4 skill away from me.

The visual rank in Halo Reach is pretty meaningless when it comes to TrueSkill.

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> But its fun destroying kids and their guest in double team and only getting “good” matches every 10th game :).

LOL THIS!

i rarely ever get paired up with people that are the same skill as me. its either a complete and utter blowout (about 5 games in a row) then we (myself and 1 friend) get paired up with the people who play the game for 80 hours a week, and go into MM with a team of 4 every time.

i’d really like to see a ‘SR’ (skill rating) system implemented.

in this system, every player starts at a set skill rating, say, 1500 (im getting this from the game ‘heroes of newerth’, a game that does a brilliant job of pairing like-skilled people together).

then, when you get a game, the game pairs the teams up so the added SR numbers are about the same, so one team doesnt have all the ‘good’ players.

if your team combined has something like 6000 SR, and the other team has something like 5900 SR, your team will win LESS if you win, and lose MORE if you lose, because the teams are stacked in your favor. likewise, the other team will win MORE SR if they win, and lose LESS SR if they lose, because the teams werent stacked in their favor.

the SR gain / loss is different for each player, depending on how much higher he is in SR than the average person on the other team.

this means that if you are a 1700 player, and the average in the game is 1600, you will win about half as much SR if you win than someone who is at the average, and if you are below the average, you will win more.

> The problem isn’t a lack of a 1-50 ranking system.
>
> The problem is your search filter not being set up to find closer Matches via true skill.
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> If there was a 1-50 ranking system in place, you would just have more quitters who now are able to see how good their opponents are before the match begins.
>
> NO, 1 to 50 is NOT needed.
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> Tighten up the search parameters on your end to find more competitive games.

this doesnt work. search filter means very little when the people you are hoping to play against (the competitive, competent people) simply stopped playing the game because its bad. i try searching based on skill and whatnot, but it doesnt really matter because the population that is competitive really doesnt play the game outside of the MLG playlist.

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I’ve always been a competitive Halo player and I know what you mean. I long for the 1-50 system to be put back in place. I cannot find ANY kind of competition, ever. The MLG playlist is a joke. I miss being able to find a good match whenever I wanted in Halo 2 & 3. This just crossed the line for me, and I find no joy in Halo: Reach matchmaking.

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A 1-50 system does not, and has not EVER been used to find you competitive games.

All a 1-50 system would result in now, is more quitters, once they see they can’t romp on someone lower than them, they’ll quit.

A 1-50 “SR” system DOES NOT WORK.

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1-50 worked fine… i wish they still put it in specific playlist :confused:

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> 1-50 worked fine… i wish they still put it in specific playlist :confused:

Worked fine for what? It didn’t actually do ANYTHING

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I agree with you on Halo 3 and Halo 2 if I was in a competitive mood I would play ranked and when I wasn’t I would play social but now I can’t switch between the two playlists and am stuck with all the wannabes and socials.

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I mean, rankings is what arena is for…